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I'm a bit disappointed with WH2
 
MaD_MaT  posted on Mar 07, 2009 1:52:08 PM - Report post

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Like he says plus games from steam are pirated as other - dawn of war 2 was from day one on the torrent sites. I was playing this for two days and i must say that this is good game but... In half of the single player campaign iv'e got bored. Just missing base building both camp. and skrimish.
 
endersblade  posted on Mar 07, 2009 5:37:25 PM - Report post

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I can't believe they castrated DoW like this. The campaign is ONLY for the marines? WTF? No base building? Can only have like 4 squads EVER? They should've released this game as something else, preferably on a console, and made a REAL DoW2. There are a lot of us out there that don't play multiplayer, meaning we won't really get to play with all of the other races as extensively as we do the stupid humans. They finally add the 'nids to the DoW universe, but remove the DoW game. Fail.
 
eisenhorn  posted on Mar 08, 2009 6:17:11 PM - Report post

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I can't believe they castrated DoW like this. The campaign is ONLY for the marines? WTF? No base building? Can only have like 4 squads EVER? They should've released this game as something else, preferably on a console, and made a REAL DoW2. There are a lot of us out there that don't play multiplayer, meaning we won't really get to play with all of the other races as extensively as we do the stupid humans. They finally add the 'nids to the DoW universe, but remove the DoW game. Fail.

You still have the skirmish option if you dislike Space Marines campaign so much.

Oh and by the way just wait and see how the second Starcraft's campaign works. You'll realize that DOW2 is closer to the future of the genre than anything else.

 
GGaius10  posted on Mar 09, 2009 12:21:44 AM - Report post

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First off, if you referred to my post, I didnot say the game was hard to run. It ran slow but since I upgraded to a GE Force 9400 card with 1024 memory, this took care of the slowness and being unable to run in anything but low graphics. As far as insulting THQ or Relic or anyother computer game Manufacturer, I couldn't care less. I'm a born critic and I say what I think. In HAM Radio if a guy wants to know how his rig sounds, I want make him feel good by telling him it sounds fantastic if it doesn't. I'll tell him the way it really sounds and he'll usually take care of it. Ooops I forgot though, HAM Operators are a little more superior than some game manufacturers and know how to listen. As far as the game resembling the original Dawn of War in content not graphic imprpvements or engine ability it is similiar in line with the old one in the characters it contains. I think the game is quite good, and I do play it quite a bit, both in campaign mode and skirmish.Playing the Marines doesn't bother me, though I like the Guard better. As far as your thinking the game is one of the best optimised you've ever played that's your opinion and you're entitled to it as I am mine. I have noticed quite a few more negative than positive letters on here, however. So I'm not the only one who was disappointed. I've found nothing anywhere that can compare with Corsix Studios when it comes to modifying a game. I see nothing yet which will allow me to modify the health, number of hit points and number of players and vehicles. This is the virtually the same as using a trainer except I don't have to run a trainer everytime I play the game. Since I don't play online I see nothing wrong with this. So I had my say and it has elicited a lot of response and I think this is what THQ and Relic want,rather than those who disagree sitting back and saying nothing. So you like the game and so do I we just see it in a different aspect and there is nothing wrong with this. Maybe if I was a kid again or a much younger person I would pay little attention to the differences in the games, but at 61 I don't think that way anymore. I'm sorry if I offend anyone but that is just the way it is. Cheers.
 
blue_sky  posted on Mar 09, 2009 3:28:42 PM - Report post

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I didn't read all there was to read in this thread, I just couldn't bare continuing.

endersblade's words make me draw a comparison between 'WoW players who don't even know there are Warcraft games that made the series popular long before WoW' and 'players who speak of Soulstorm like it's part of the originally released Dawn of War'.
Almost unworthy of replying to, all I'll say is that the original Dawn of War also solely took you thru a Space Marines campaign, battling 3 races, Orks, Eldar and Chaos Marines.
In that aspect, is it so much different from its sequel? The only relevant one is that now you battle across 3 different planets, which is now the way that it changes scenery.

To reply to the thread author, personally, this is the best Warhammer 40k has ever looked to me.
You just *cannot* say the previous instalments looked better.
Get a decent rig so you can recieve the immense eye candy it has to offer and THEN judge it.
On a side note: if it's true that your old VG card had 512mb of memory and that your new one has 1gb, well, you put too much stock in VG card memory. Long ago, I too thought this was a VG card's most relevant factor. But really, it's not. I have a GeForce 9600 GT, 512mb. Half of what yours packs but I could risk putting my hand over fire that mine runs much better than your 9400. Hope your choice was based on the price and performance need (or lack of thereof) rather than in the prospect of it having a lot of memory.
Now, for saying you dislike the game so much because your crappy card couldn't run it well and because you couldn't easily modify it, well, those reasons are just as stupid as they come. Not to offend you, but if that is why you felt you should get a returned investment from the game, then you are either overly critical or just odd.

Now, not a reply, but my opinion in general, I have come to like this sequel very much. The only side to it that I dislike is coming back to the same maps too many times. It is this line of thinking that made me not like Dark Crusade and Soulstorm so much.
But as for the change from the traditional build-your-base-&-train-your-army-on-the-go RTS to the action-packed and tactical RTS with a little touch of RPG, I like it and I applaud Relic. I don't know how you can bash it, it is exceedingly more realistic, if nothing else. And like someone else here has said, this is the future of the genre.
When you go to war, you don't THEN build bases and train troops. As war is a time for fighting, not for building. Well, then you could say, the game universe is one where they are constantly at war, but my point is that, each time you advance in the campaign and arrive a different region, to build another base there and train new troops, that is just silly.
I know Relic had already this in mind in some degree, as they tried to lessen the clarity of this fact - they made recruiting marines as if they all came from orbit and didn't just magically appear out of nowhere, having been enlist. They also made Space Marine buildings be dropped or brought from orbit. Unfortunately, this couldn't be done universally for all of the game, but now we have Dawn of War II. And this shows how much they've committed to making it a better game than the prequel.

But I digress.
The other relevant point for changing it and having us command a very limited number of troops, all led by squad leaders is so that we feel more attached. I'm sure I'm not the only one who, up until DoW II, felt that the Space Marines were overly cold and opressive and that the Imperium seemed to suffer under a tyrannical rule. Now, Relic has let you get closer to the characters of this universe and realize that they are not so alien from us.

I've been rather enjoying this game, thus far, and I too hope they will bring addons that allow us to play campaigns with other races, namely the Imperial Guard or Tau. As Winter Assault. I wish they do not give us more Dark Crusades or Soulstorms, however.

 
endersblade  posted on Mar 09, 2009 5:45:53 PM - Report post

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I just started playing the game. Whereas the game is indeed enjoyable, and the graphics are great, it's still not Dawn of WAR to me. Dawn of minor skirmishes, maybe. They've removed all by four of the factions, there is only one campaign (albeit a long one) and limiting you to four squads is highly annoying, to say the least. It IS fun to level your squads and give them gear, but it's still just a hollow shell of what DoW2 COULD have been.

For one, I played the original Warcraft when it came out, just FYI. Secondly, I KNOW how the original DoW worked. I played that game probably three times all the way through. But there have been, what, 3 expansions since? DoW2 should've expanded upon Soulstorm's campaign style, or even just kept it the same. Relic is essentially doing the same thing to Warhammer that Microprose did to X-COM.

[Edited by endersblade, 3/9/2009 5:49:11 PM]

 
AirCoN  posted on Mar 10, 2009 12:32:27 AM - Report post

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originally posted by endersblade

I just started playing the game. Whereas the game is indeed enjoyable, and the graphics are great, it's still not Dawn of WAR to me. Dawn of minor skirmishes, maybe. They've removed all by four of the factions, there is only one campaign (albeit a long one) and limiting you to four squads is highly annoying, to say the least. It IS fun to level your squads and give them gear, but it's still just a hollow shell of what DoW2 COULD have been.

For one, I played the original Warcraft when it came out, just FYI. Secondly, I KNOW how the original DoW worked. I played that game probably three times all the way through. But there have been, what, 3 expansions since? DoW2 should've expanded upon Soulstorm's campaign style, or even just kept it the same. Relic is essentially doing the same thing to Warhammer that Microprose did to X-COM.

[Edited by endersblade, 3/9/2009 5:49:11 PM]

I so agree.. I luved the 3 first DoW, the base building and setting up some nasty defenses, and then hammer the **** out my enemy .

DoW2 is just not the same, not even close, I have played all the other DoW games with all races, except for Soul Storm, where I didnt play 2 or 3 of them. I will prob not play thru DoW2, it is just not fun with 4 by 4 squads and no way of getting more (or less).

I will maybe cheat my way thru the game, just to get the end story.

I 2 played X-Com I still do from time to time. But X-Com enforser.. OMFG what was they thinking.

If it aint broke, DONT FIX IT

Ohh.. And the part with MUST have STEAM to play a singleplayer game, and have a accout at Windows Live just ****ed me off. Made want to pirate the game rather than to buy it. If this bacomes the trend with new games I will do so, less hasle.

 
Practiti0ner  posted on Mar 10, 2009 10:21:37 PM - Report post

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GGaius10... if you give corsix time he will release his mod studio for DoWII, the game has only been out about 3 weeks? or so, give him time, and there are already alot of nice if somewhat limited mods out already, but once his mod studio is out then a whole slew of great good quality mods will come out. Patience is a virtue my friend.
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