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roys b+up move is sooper freekin strong against wireframes

Towtha: I refuse to stoop to such low levels. If I were to have an immature squabble, it would be between me and a member............too bad, you're just a lowly guest.





[Edited by eternalflame, 3/6/2005 1:25:41 PM]

In other words, you refuse to back up your statements and you do not want to change your mind, and you use the fact that I'm a guest as an excuse. It's not an "immature squabble", it's an argument. We disagree and one of us has backed up his statements while the other hasn't. You think arguments are immature? No, what's immature is that you're closing your ears to what I've said, expressing your point of view without even knowing why you yourself believe it. I hate it how we can't even ever disagree on this board without being accused of flaming or of "squabbling". Disagreeing is not immature. And it's not immature to try to change everyone's point of view. I've provided explanations for the stuff I've said, but the most I've gotten in response is comments at the length of my post rather than at its content. Eeek! My post is LONGER THAN A PARAGRAPH! Run for the hills! As if you all don't already read at least that much for school every day, anyway. Even everyday reading that you do--reading signs, other posts, etc. Surely all that writing adds up to more than a paragraph.

A moves
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Neutral A
Marth: 6%
Roy: 5%

Tilt Forward
Marth: 13%
Roy: 10%

Tilt Up
Marth: 12%
Roy: 8%

Tilt Down
Marth: 10%
Roy: 10%

Neutral Air
Marth: 13%
Roy: 11%

Forward Air
Marth: 13%
Roy: 8%

Back Air
Marth: 13%
Roy: 9%

Up Air
Marth: 13%
Roy: 6%

Down Air
Marth: 13%
Roy: 10%

Smash Forward
Marth: 20% uncharged, 27% charged
Roy: 20% uncharged, 27% charged

Smash Up
Marth: 18% uncharged, 24% charged
Roy: 16% uncharged, 22% charged

Smash Down
Marth: 16% uncharged, 21% charged
Roy: 21% uncharged, 28% charged

Who has stronger A moves?
Marth: 9
Roy: 1

B moves
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Neutral B
Marth: 7% uncharged, 28% charged
Roy: 6% uncharged, 50% charged

Forward B*
Marth: 4% 5% 10% 14%
Roy: 5% 6% 9% 11%

Up B
Marth: 13%
Roy: 13%

Down B
Marth: 7%
Roy: 1.5x attack countered

Who has stronger B moves?
Marth: 1
Roy: 2

Throws
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Forward Throw
Marth: 4%
Roy: 5%

Back Throw
Marth: 4%
Roy: 5%

Up Throw
Marth: 4%
Roy: 5%

Down Throw
Marth: 5%
Roy: 6%

Grab Attack
Marth: 3%
Roy: 3%

Who has stronger throws?
Marth: 0
Roy: 4

Who has stronger moves overall?
Marth: 10
Roy: 7

I don't think that arguing as a whole is immature. What we are arguing over however is stupid and I truly wish for it to cease. Unfortunately, you don't feel the same way so: I love to read. Next to playing video games, it's my favorite pass time. When we say that you write a lot (or too much), we simply mean that you write a lot! Nothing more. You took up several lines explaining how often we read, when all you were trying to do was say that writing a great deal of information is not a bad thing. I said in one breath the statement that took you half of your post to get out. You write a lot! I never said it was a bad thing and if I did, I apologize. And I didn't close my ears to what you've said. In fact, I'm probably one of the few who actually read, word for word, all of your posts. As far as you being a guest-you obviously like this site and have a lot to say, so why not become a free member and get to know all of us? Then, we can argue/squabble/whatever as much as we want without moderators threatinging us. It wasn't my intent to attack you, I merely suggested that you join. Sorry if that offends you.... And about the opinion on superiority of the characters, the statistics on my game rank Roy higher than Marth. I have practiced more with Roy and, in my records, have done better with him. I don't see the need in posting my personal gaming statistics for all of you because that's far too much work on my part and would be a waste of time. You may feel differently, and that's fine. I simply don't feel the need to give that kind of backing to my claim of personal preference. Have a nice day!

Believe me, Marth>>Roy for reasons which you all couldn't even imagine.

But Roy is still a good char.

A moves
--------
Neutral A
Marth: 6%
Roy: 5%

Tilt Forward
Marth: 13%
Roy: 10%

Tilt Up
Marth: 12%
Roy: 8%

Tilt Down
Marth: 10%
Roy: 10%

Neutral Air
Marth: 13%
Roy: 11%

Forward Air
Marth: 13%
Roy: 8%

Back Air
Marth: 13%
Roy: 9%

Up Air
Marth: 13%
Roy: 6%

Down Air
Marth: 13%
Roy: 10%

Smash Forward
Marth: 20% uncharged, 27% charged
Roy: 20% uncharged, 27% charged

Smash Up
Marth: 18% uncharged, 24% charged
Roy: 16% uncharged, 22% charged

Smash Down
Marth: 16% uncharged, 21% charged
Roy: 21% uncharged, 28% charged

Who has stronger A moves?
Marth: 9
Roy: 1

B moves
--------
Neutral B
Marth: 7% uncharged, 28% charged
Roy: 6% uncharged, 50% charged

Forward B*
Marth: 4% 5% 10% 14%
Roy: 5% 6% 9% 11%

Up B
Marth: 13%
Roy: 13%

Down B
Marth: 7%
Roy: 1.5x attack countered

Who has stronger B moves?
Marth: 1
Roy: 2

Throws
-------
Forward Throw
Marth: 4%
Roy: 5%

Back Throw
Marth: 4%
Roy: 5%

Up Throw
Marth: 4%
Roy: 5%

Down Throw
Marth: 5%
Roy: 6%

Grab Attack
Marth: 3%
Roy: 3%

Who has stronger throws?
Marth: 0
Roy: 4

Who has stronger moves overall?
Marth: 10
Roy: 7

well there you have it folks, no fanboyism, just pure stats you can get for yourselves in training mode. i hope this helps you make a more informed decision about your character choice.

* - Each number corresponds to ONLY the attack of the Forward B for its position. For example, the third hit of Marth's Forward B does 10%. Also note, this is only using Forward B repeatedly, other variations were not tested, but feel free to check it for yourselves.

Marth also has more knockback, in addition to dealing more damage. Roy has the larger sweet spot, but if you test out their non-sweet spot attacks, Marth still beats Roy out, easily.
The moves Roy wins in are throws, down smash, Flare Blade and counter.

Roy wins in throws by a whopping one percent, and Roy's grabbing and throwing game is actually a disadvantage to him, since Roy can't chain throw and has a worse grab range.
Counter comes out slower, thus making it less useful than Marth's. Not lasting that long isn't an advantage for Roy, since you can time that, but you can't get over the fact that his counter comes out slower.
Flare Blade, which is useless except for maybe edgeguarding, is stronger (albeit slightly, since Flare Blade takes longer to charge up), but it can be blocked, while Marth's Shield Breaker will take off at least 1/3 of your shield uncharged.
Roy's down smash does more damage, but has less knockback, and comes out slower.

And then there's the basic stuff.
We can conclude that:

Marth is stronger than Roy.
Marth is heavier than Roy.
Marth is faster than Roy (in everything but falling speed)
Marth falls slower than Roy (making him harder to juggle)
Marth is heavier than Roy (making him harder to KO horizontally)
Marth can chain throw.
Marth has better grabs.
Marth's sweet spot maybe be better placed (weak attacks near him, strong attacks away to set up some interesting combos)
The attacks that Roy is stronger in are all less useful.
Marth has what is considered to be one of the best spikes in the game (aerial down+A), while Roy's suck.

Roy is harder to KO vertically.

GameFAQs'd/10 >.>

Oops. Jman beat me to it. >.<