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CoSMOS vs Cheatengine
 
Freitagnacht  posted on Aug 05, 2016 8:16:13 AM - Report post

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What can "CoSMOS" what "CheatEngine" can't?
 
PWizard  posted on Aug 05, 2016 9:52:57 AM - Report post

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First, please understand that CoSMOS is not "competing" with CheatEngine. CE has been in constant development for over 7 years. CoSMOS has been in development for 2 months. CoSMOS is mostly aimed at beginners right now and features in-app tutorials with video hints, simplified scanning routines and multiple experience level modes that unlock more powerful features of the app. These things CE does not have. We built CoSMOS to better help our users help themselves while waiting for trainer updates and patches without having to deal with all the complexity of learning CE. Over time we will add more user-requested features which will make CoSMOS even better. We're not trying to reinvent the wheel here, only improve on what has been missing and make it more user friendly, especially for absolute beginners.

I'll let 0x90 explain the current differences as he is the developer.

[Edited by PWizard, 8/5/2016 10:26:09 AM]

 
0x90  posted on Aug 05, 2016 10:09:05 AM - Report post

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There is nothing to add. If you are looking at the core features CE is some steps ahead. But as Pwizard said, CE has been in development for +7 years and CoSMOS only since some months. Also the goal of CoSMOS is not to be another clone of CE instead improving things right from the beginning while making it easier for people to work with it.

Anyway with CoSMOS you can filter search results without a rescan. You can build very complex filters and deactivate them in a second. All of the scan results still exist. Then you can easily setup hotkeys for scripts. You don't have +5 different windows which are even on my 4k monitor a pain to work with since you are constantly moving them around.

The longer the development time, the more differences will show up between CoSMOS and CE. But in general, both are memory scanners. While you can visit a website with Firefox and Google the same way and both work quite similar, the details makes the differences and the user decides which one he likes more.

 
B4Marc  posted on Aug 06, 2016 12:27:03 AM - Report post

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Tried CE, quit; tried CoSMOS, keep playing
 
sauced  posted on Aug 13, 2016 6:45:54 AM - Report post

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I think half of it is how you present it to others and how easy it is to learn, CE has never been user friendly and falls short in my opinion. The community can also be very elitists with your learning process, hopefully CoSMOS will be different in that regard.

If you're devoted to learn CE, You're much better off learning c++ first if you're a complete beginner, though it's not for the faint of heart, you pretty much start as a baby learning how to talk and while meaningful words come out of your mouth nobody can understand a word of what you're saying, same amount of frustration learning c++.

www.learncpp.com/

[Edited by sauced, 8/13/2016 6:53:01 AM]

 
PWizard  posted on Aug 13, 2016 6:54:35 AM - Report post

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quote:
originally posted by sauced

I think half of it is how you present it to others and how easy it is to learn, CE has never been user friendly and falls short in my opinion. The community can also be very elitists with your learning process, hopefully CoSMOS will be different in that regard.

If you're devoted to learn CE, You're much better off learning c++ first if you're a complete beginner, though it's not for the faint of heart, you pretty much start as a baby learning how to talk and while meaningful words come out of your mouth nobody can understand a word of what you're saying, same amount of frustration learning c++.

www.learncpp.com/

[Edited by sauced, 8/13/2016 6:53:01 AM]

Exactly, that was one of our main goals. You'll find that CoSMOS is 10X easier to get started with for users with no prior memory scanning or gamehacking experience. We offer an in-app guided tutorial with video demonstrations and multiple modes (Beginner, Skilled and Expert) so that users aren't overwhelmed with all of the functions that they don't need or haven't learned to use yet. We also made tons of tutorials for the various skill levels on the CoSMOS page Link.

 
PWizard  posted on Aug 15, 2016 3:06:56 PM - Report post

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ATTENTION CE FORUM MEMBERS --> Link

Since you felt the need to attack our software, allow us to respond accordingly.

First and foremost, we have not used ANY of CE's open source code in creating CoSMOS. That includes the speedhack. We will happily send our speedhack dll to DarkByte so that he can confirm it himself. The only thing used was his calculation of the speed but it is not a copy of his dll. Speaking of DarkByte, we actually reached out to him well before releasing CoSMOS, letting him know our intentions and asking him if he had any issues with anything we were doing with the software. He never responded.

We decided to use the same and/or similar syntax as CE because it's something that people already know and are familiar with. We saw no point in reinventing the wheel of a FREE and OPEN SOURCE application that people have been using for 7+ YEARS. This also allowed the interoperability between the two apps. CoSMOS can import CE tables (not all as of this point but we're trying to make it more compatible) just like MS Word can import PDF files. CE could do the exact same thing and allow the importing of .cosmos files. They are not protected in any way and we would welcome that addition to CE if DarkByte chose to implement it. What's the point of two different people writing two different scripts in two completely different languages that do the exact same thing?

Unlike the users at the CE forums, we have no hate for CE like they apparently have for us. We have great respect for DarkByte and what he has created and have no problem in thanking him in our documentation for pioneering the tool that CoSMOS was clearly modeled after, but we didn't because we didn't use any of his source code or software, but if it makes CE users feel better then we will be happy to. Like I said at the beginning, we are not trying to compete with CE. We are not trying to SELL a product that competes with CE. We are simply trying to take a good idea and improve upon it in ways that we felt our particular userbase would benefit from. We didn't go over on the CE forums and say "Hey check out our awesome new tool that is better than CE!". We didn't take out ads in gaming magazines telling the world that we have created a better CE. Is there some kind of harm in creating our own tool that does something similar to some other tool? There doesn't have to be only one memory scanning tool in the world. Just like there doesn't have to be one web browser in the world. Would you prefer if IE/Edge was your ONLY option of a web browser? or Apple your only choice of a phone? But what if none of these things were even remotely compatible with one another? What if IE could read and parse HTML5 but Firefox could not and could only process some other proprietary code so that people creating websites would have to make their site in 5 different programming languages? What if Apple users couldn't share text messages with Android users?

I'm not sure where all this hate is coming from, but it's unnecessary. CE is a free tool. CoSMOS is a free tool. We used none of CE's code in CoSMOS. Cheat Happens is not making money from CoSMOS by allowing the importing of CE tables or the use of the same syntax when creating tables and scripts. In fact, we're not making any money on CoSMOS at all but have spent a lot of money on having it developed, supported and improved upon each week. You guys want to hate on us for selling memberships to download the 300 trainers that our multiple programmers make each month so that they can earn a salary for their hard work, then that's perfectly fine. But don't hate on us for trying to take some of the money we've earned and use it to build a free tool for everyone to use if they so choose.

If you want to use CE, then use CE. If you prefer CoSMOS, then use CoSMOS. Heck, use both depending on the task that needs to be performed. But there's no need to attack us on your forums as it's unwarranted and undeserved. Even the creator of CE seems to have no problem with our app and if he does, then we're more than open to having conversations about his concerns and will address them accordingly.

[Edited by moderator PWizard, 8/15/2016 5:00:14 PM]

 
0x90  posted on Aug 15, 2016 3:48:04 PM - Report post

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I would like to point that Dark Byte is always welcome to contact me at any time regarding CoSMOS or CE: 0x90@cheathappens.com

I have no intention into joining a hateful discussion where being loudest is more important than having better arguments. That's why my first request was having a private discussion with Dark Byte before releasing CoSMOS. I would have talked to him about the syntax, also that I am planning to choose his method of speed calculation.

Therefore CE users are right to say that credits need to given and as a result I'll give credits to him. I apologize for not having done that already.

Dark Byte, feel free to contact me at any time if you have any concerns.

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