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linesma · 6/12/2015

I have had my current SSD, Samsung 830 250gb, in my computer for about 3 1/2 years. It is starting t

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linesma posted on Jun 13, 2015 9:55:41 AM - Report post

That is what I was afraid of.

Question: did you disable the page file on your ssd when you first bought it?

I do not remember if I did or not. When I first bought the drive, I was running Windows 7 Pro. I then upgraded to Windows 8-8.1 when it was released. I made sure that the TRIM function was running, it was running in AHCI mode in the BIOS, was properly aligned, and had it removed from my defrag list on Auslogic's "Disc Defrag". I thought Windows needed the page file to run properly. If you are talking the "System Protection Restore Point" settings, I have had that set to off.

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KingEli posted on Jun 13, 2015 10:01:00 AM - Report post

Nope it doesnt these days, but only if you have enough RAM, if you have 4gb then of course windows will not function properly due lack of memory.
This is probably what killed your ssd so fast, the page file is functioning like RAM with constant R/W to it.

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linesma posted on Jun 13, 2015 10:09:05 AM - Report post

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originally posted by kingkob

Nope it doesnt these days, but only if you have enough RAM, if you have 4gb then of course windows will not function properly due lack of memory.
This is probably what killed your ssd so fast, the page file is functioning like RAM with constant R/W to it.

So for future reference, after I install my new drive in August time frame, how do you disable the page file for the drive? I did check my mobo specs, ASRock H77 Pro4/MVP, and booting from a PCIe drive is not possible. Something to think about for my next machine. What SSD drive do you recommend then?

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KingEli posted on Jun 13, 2015 10:17:00 AM - Report post

Guide: Link

About ssd I recommend the "Samsung 850 EVO Series MZ-75E250 250GB"
it has good reviews and it's pretty cheap about 150$, the Samsung 850 costs 100$ more and not worth it if you ask me.

[Edited by kingkob, 6/13/2015 10:19:58 AM]

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linesma posted on Jun 13, 2015 10:25:31 AM - Report post

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originally posted by kingkob

Guide: Link

About ssd I recommend the "Samsung 850 EVO Series MZ-75E250 250GB"
it has good reviews and it's pretty cheap about 150$, the Samsung 850 costs 100$ more and not worth it if you ask me.

[Edited by kingkob, 6/13/2015 10:19:58 AM]

Thanks for the link. I will look at it tomorrow after I wake up. I will look for the Samsung EVO drives. So far, all I have seen here at the main IT stores, and available from our online retailers, are the Pro line. Once I get closer to buying it, I will check again. I miss being able to buy things from Newegg. (they will not ship here).

Thanks for all the help and the advice!

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DABhand posted on Jun 14, 2015 3:42:43 AM - Report post

Page files are still very very useful, don't disable completely, just move to another non-SSD drive. Preferbly one that isn't shared with your games or SSD as said.

Doesn't matter how much RAM you have, the Page File is used for a possible low RAM issue.

Windows Superfetch etc systems pre-allocate programs to RAM space, and even if you have 16GB Windows can easily eat most of that up on your common apps used.

And when you browse the net, you would be surprised how much RAM is used :P

As said the page file sits waiting to the point when your RAM is low, and kicks in to help regulate the flow of data until you close an application, game etc to free actual physical RAM up.

A lot of people on tweaking sites etc, think by disabling the page file it will force windows to use the RAM more, which is false... the page file as said only kicks in when there is little RAM left to be used. Plus it doesn't help speed up anything. It is best left alone, but since if your OS is on your SSD your page file will be automatically set to that drive, you can move to another HDD to help prolong the NAND chips life.

If you disable the page file and you use up your RAM, your system will suffer, programs will crash, or lag extensively.

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linesma posted on Jun 14, 2015 4:37:47 AM - Report post

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originally posted by DABhand

Page files are still very very useful, don't disable completely, just move to another non-SSD drive. Preferbly one that isn't shared with your games or SSD as said.

Doesn't matter how much RAM you have, the Page File is used for a possible low RAM issue.

Windows Superfetch etc systems pre-allocate programs to RAM space, and even if you have 16GB Windows can easily eat most of that up on your common apps used.

And when you browse the net, you would be surprised how much RAM is used :P

As said the page file sits waiting to the point when your RAM is low, and kicks in to help regulate the flow of data until you close an application, game etc to free actual physical RAM up.

A lot of people on tweaking sites etc, think by disabling the page file it will force windows to use the RAM more, which is false... the page file as said only kicks in when there is little RAM left to be used. Plus it doesn't help speed up anything. It is best left alone, but since if your OS is on your SSD your page file will be automatically set to that drive, you can move to another HDD to help prolong the NAND chips life.

If you disable the page file and you use up your RAM, your system will suffer, programs will crash, or lag extensively.

Interesting. I will have to do more research before I choose to disable the pagefile. Thanks for the info!

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KingEli posted on Jun 14, 2015 7:10:36 AM - Report post

Not entirely true.
First of all browsers are 32 bit programes and in worse case scenerio if you open like zillion tabs they can consume up to 4gb ram tops.
Second I had 16gb ram in my last build and on my current build, I've been working with page file disabled for 3 years now with not a single issue what so ever.
Third Win uses the page file regardless of how much ram you have and it changes from program to program, btw there are some rare cases of games that wont start with page file disabled like "Burnout Paradise" but that's the only game I came across so far.
Page file these days is obsolete it's only useful for saving bsod's reports and other crash reports and of course if you have extremely low ram.(if it's important to you just save the page file elsewhere and reduce its size to 100mb)
You should be fine even with 8gb ram as most games wont consume more than 4gb but there are some that do so I would avoid that.
In any case under no circumstance allow the page file to sit on your ssd it's the number one killer for ssd's.

[Edited by kingkob, 6/14/2015 7:31:15 AM]

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