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Warning for SSD users - Denuvo kills SSD
 
element5  posted on Nov 17, 2014 2:52:56 PM - Report post

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That's probably a very fast way to handle all that data but I don't know how it would relate to the majority of users that have no RamCache setup like that. Though all calls to write to disk are still being processed.

I haven't messed with Ram Drives and such since way back in the DOS days. Is yours setup on a dedicated device or a memory manipulation of current available system RAM?

I have 32GB Ram on here and have often wondered about a better way to use it. It affords me the means to have open an incredible amount of things at the same time though, which I'm really loving. My last PC was Windows Vista with a 'whopping' 4GB Ram. ACK....

I could barely run some of the new games alone much less open anything else on that PC.

 
ServiusTheBear  posted on Nov 17, 2014 3:02:47 PM - Report post

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That's probably a very fast way to handle all that data but I don't know how it would relate to the majority of users that have no RamCache setup like that. Though all calls to write to disk are still being processed.

I haven't messed with Ram Drives and such since way back in the DOS days. Is yours setup on a dedicated device or a memory manipulation of current available system RAM?

I have 32GB Ram on here and have often wondered about a better way to use it. It affords me the means to have open an incredible amount of things at the same time though, which I'm really loving. My last PC was Windows Vista with a 'whopping' 4GB Ram. ACK....

I could barely run some of the new games alone much less open anything else on that PC.

Think about me. Am sitting on a 1.4ghz quad amd 6gb ram laptop. Most of the new games I want to play wont run on her. Even with my tweaking skills from years back. So until my new build is done am screwed for now.

 
element5  posted on Nov 17, 2014 3:43:37 PM - Report post

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Good grief, Toki! How the heck are you.... no, wait...you're not. Zowie, Toki. My old pC was a Core 2 Quad Extreme @ 3.2 Ghz. and I had problems in some games.

Are you building the new PC...a desktop? Just having to allocate funds as they are available, or are you having it built? Dude, I feel for you. That must be difficult.

How many more components do you still need for it anyway? Be ready by XMas ya think? You get that new one finished and you might not sleep for Days bro. Hang in there.


 
BlackDragon480  posted on Nov 17, 2014 3:56:49 PM - Report post

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Software based memory-manipulation.

I've tried several flavors and the two I like the best are HDDTurbo if you need a free version, it helps read and seek times like whoa, but the write acceleration is a bit of a crap shoot and if you're working with anything you need for work projects and the like (like I do), I wouldn't run the write accel potion, as it has absolutely no net for interruptions with it activated.

The other is SuperCache Express, it's far more robust but does set you back $80 after the trial period. It offers a litany of options and a decent amount of safeguards against data loss (which mixed with the M500's hardware based protections I haven't lost file one while using it.)

And Toki, I definitely understand your plight. I was running a just a plain-jane Thinkpad that was long in the tooth until August of last year. Some judicious savings, a decent tax return, and the beauty of Micro-Center and I'm back in the big leagues. Best of luck in your quest for PC improvement.

 
ZZGashi  posted on Nov 17, 2014 4:06:10 PM - Report post

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That's probably a very fast way to handle all that data but I don't know how it would relate to the majority of users that have no RamCache setup like that. Though all calls to write to disk are still being processed.

I haven't messed with Ram Drives and such since way back in the DOS days. Is yours setup on a dedicated device or a memory manipulation of current available system RAM?

I have 32GB Ram on here and have often wondered about a better way to use it. It affords me the means to have open an incredible amount of things at the same time though, which I'm really loving. My last PC was Windows Vista with a 'whopping' 4GB Ram. ACK....

I could barely run some of the new games alone much less open anything else on that PC.

Think about me. Am sitting on a 1.4ghz quad amd 6gb ram laptop. Most of the new games I want to play wont run on her. Even with my tweaking skills from years back. So until my new build is done am screwed for now.

I remember those days of having an underpowered computer, of course once one finally does get a computer that is up to snuff you really will not sleep for days, just catching up on all of the gaming that was missed.

 
spazmaster666  posted on Nov 17, 2014 4:19:35 PM - Report post


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Sounds like this would only be a major issue with older SSDs that don't have great wear-leveling algorithms. I'm currently running a 512GB 850 Pro which has a 10-year warranty so I'm not too concerned. Also, keep in mind mechanical drives get worn out as well, in fact most modern SSDs will probably last longer than a modern, non enterprise mechanical hard drive (since SSDs only lose lifespan due to writes whereas mechanical drives lose lifespan with both reads AND writes). I've owned SSDs for the past four years and I've never had one fail. In the mean time I've had 3 mechanical hard drives (all purchased within the past 4 years) fail.

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element5  posted on Nov 17, 2014 4:41:41 PM - Report post

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That's good to hear. How long have you had that one? Mine is a 1TB also a Crucial and has a 1.5 million hours MTBF.

So lessee, that means if starting now I game for 24 hours a day, every day, I have like 171 years to go before I have a problem. With the drive. Guess I better load up some more games.

 
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Well not quite. The MTBF is based on an estimate of a drive's lifespan based on a specific workload. For instance Intel guarantees their 480gb 730 SSD drives for 70gb/day write loads for 5 years, which turns out to be a MTBF of about 2 million hours according to Intel. However, if they were basing the MTBF off of say a 10gb/day workload then obviously the MTBF would be longer. If you are writing 700gb/day to the SSD then the MTBF will be much shorter.

Though if all you're doing is playing games on an SSD, unless the games for some reason needs to write massive amounts of data to the disk constantly, the MTBF will likely be even longer than what the manufacturer lists.

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