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Warning for SSD users - Denuvo kills SSD
 
ServiusTheBear  posted on Nov 17, 2014 9:05:57 AM - Report post

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i never saw the cost/capacity ratio worth a game taking that wee bit quicker to load to be worth the money when i can get 2Tb hds for under £100 now.

though i do always love these stories that come out when some new DRM starts to prove to be affective

This is why I stayed with normal 7200rpm drives nice low price and huge size! I dont care what people say when SSD's a quicker. Well guess what I dont want to have uninstall then reinstall to play another game. I like all the games I like to be on my dive waiting for me so if I want to play them I just click play! No need to reinstall and redo mods!

Get with the times on DRM its here and its not going to go away. Weather you want it to vanish. This is the first time I have heard of this DRM bein used. But the idea of it cutting your lifespan of your drive down significantly I doubt it. Unless you keep you computer on 24/7 and the game runing 24/7. Then maybe. But anyhows you should never really have your comp on 24/7.

 
DABhand  posted on Nov 17, 2014 9:15:33 AM - Report post

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This is BS, it is the usual Anti-EA propaganda BS they always put out.

Don't copy and paste stuff and start a thread if you don't understand the subject. That is what they want you to do, to spread it around to cause people to not buy it etc.

 
Dlenny2259  posted on Nov 17, 2014 9:26:15 AM - Report post

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This is BS, it is the usual Anti-EA propaganda BS they always put out.

Don't copy and paste stuff and start a thread if you don't understand the subject. That is what they want you to do, to spread it around to cause people to not buy it etc.

What I don't get exactly is why you sometimes have people who obviously hate EA but still buy their products and moan and groan even more when things don't live up to their very rigiged expectations. It almost seems to me that they hate EA for the sake of hating EA. I myself have had way more positive experiences then negative ones with EA and I have been buying and playing their product for something like thrity years now.

 
ServiusTheBear  posted on Nov 17, 2014 9:44:02 AM - Report post

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This is BS, it is the usual Anti-EA propaganda BS they always put out.

Don't copy and paste stuff and start a thread if you don't understand the subject. That is what they want you to do, to spread it around to cause people to not buy it etc.

What I don't get exactly is why you sometimes have people who obviously hate EA but still buy their products and moan and groan even more when things don't live up to their very rigiged expectations. It almost seems to me that they hate EA for the sake of hating EA. I myself have had way more positive experiences then negative ones with EA and I have been buying and playing their product for something like thrity years now.

I hate EA cause they are the Devil :P Truthfully the way they do things and act makes me hate them. But! I love the games they bring out cause the are good games. Heck I like their Orign DLP. But I also hate how they have pulled away from putting many of their games on steam. But I can understand why tho. So in a way I love and hate them. Their surport team has always provided. Not like steams basic copy paste reply. But thats my tiny amount of opinions.

 
kwijybo  posted on Nov 17, 2014 9:55:18 AM - Report post

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Hmmm, my first post.

I don't use forums anywhere often, but felt I had to post these quotes from Derek French on the Bioware forum.

"To be clear, Denuvo is not DRM in the sense the DRM stands for Digital Rights Management (or Dogs Reading Magazines, or whatever you prefer). There is nothing in the Denuvo stuff that has to do with accounts or release date checking, or ownership or anything like that. It is not SecuROM. It is not Steamworks. It is not Safedisc, or any of the other DRM solutions that have been in the past. Origin is the DRM for Dragon Age: Inquisition in the exact same manner and settings as it was in Mass Effect 3. Nothing has changed here.

Denuvo is anti-tamper on the executable. This has nothing to do with mods or attempts to change textures or anything like that. Trying to hack the executable to cheat in multiplayer? This is what we are talking about."


"Yeah, the only way you could scientifically show that any CPU usage was due to anti-tamper would be to benchmark with and without. Just looking at a CPU graph, you can't just point and say "There! That wasn't supposed to be there!"

Most of us have been running the same executable as our customers for a while now."

 
ServiusTheBear  posted on Nov 17, 2014 10:08:53 AM - Report post

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Hmmm, my first post.

I don't use forums anywhere often, but felt I had to post these quotes from Derek French on the Bioware forum.

"To be clear, Denuvo is not DRM in the sense the DRM stands for Digital Rights Management (or Dogs Reading Magazines, or whatever you prefer). There is nothing in the Denuvo stuff that has to do with accounts or release date checking, or ownership or anything like that. It is not SecuROM. It is not Steamworks. It is not Safedisc, or any of the other DRM solutions that have been in the past. Origin is the DRM for Dragon Age: Inquisition in the exact same manner and settings as it was in Mass Effect 3. Nothing has changed here.

Denuvo is anti-tamper on the executable. This has nothing to do with mods or attempts to change textures or anything like that. Trying to hack the executable to cheat in multiplayer? This is what we are talking about."


"Yeah, the only way you could scientifically show that any CPU usage was due to anti-tamper would be to benchmark with and without. Just looking at a CPU graph, you can't just point and say "There! That wasn't supposed to be there!"

Most of us have been running the same executable as our customers for a while now."

Ok if this is an ATOE. Then the game better make use of large Ram amounts or the usual LAAM which effects the exe will not work. If I am understanding this right. Which will effect modders. Which can also effect addons from users to make the game better than it was.

[Edited by Toki, 11/17/2014 10:10:14 AM]

 
element5  posted on Nov 17, 2014 10:37:02 AM - Report post

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i'll just use my 1TB 10'000 rpm HD


WD VelociRaptor? Memories, memories. This new Falcon has a 1TB SSD that's running fine. So far. But it's got a ways to go to match the history of those 10K drives.

My last two gaming rigs were Alienware and both had two WD VelociRaptors in RAID 0. Those setups screamed and are still running perfectly. One is now 11 years old and is used by nephew's son. The other I still use as a backup and I have never had a minute's problem with those drives.

They still have a 5 year warranty? I'm curious how this SSD will hold up and compare to that. All I use it for is gaming. I'm told when a SSD starts to fail, it basically becomes read-only which is better than just drop-dead failure.

Makes me wonder though. If I need a replacement or buy another PC ..... 2-10K's in RAID-0 or SSD?

 
ServiusTheBear  posted on Nov 17, 2014 10:46:39 AM - Report post

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originally posted by johnkelly2187

i'll just use my 1TB 10'000 rpm HD


WD VelociRaptor? Memories, memories. This new Falcon has a 1TB SSD that's running fine. So far. But it's got a ways to go to match the history of those 10K drives.

My last two gaming rigs were Alienware and both had two WD VelociRaptors in RAID 0. Those setups screamed and are still running perfectly. One is now 11 years old and is used by nephew's son. The other I still use as a backup and I have never had a minute's problem with those drives.

They still have a 5 year warranty? I'm curious how this SSD will hold up and compare to that. All I use it for is gaming. I'm told when a SSD starts to fail, it basically becomes read-only which is better than just drop-dead failure.

Makes me wonder though. If I need a replacement or buy another PC ..... 2-10K's in RAID-0 or SSD?

If your like me and not to worried about Normal HD to SSD HD speed. Then just stick to the good old stuff that you know that works

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