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Posted: Sep 15, 2013 2:55:30 PM - Report post  (2)  (2)       Post Reply  post reply  

In this case, the house has a roof and the car has an engine. Maybe the roof has a few holes and the engine needs a tune up. The builders will fix your roof and the dealer will repair the engine for free. That is what the patch is for. It is literally patching holes in the original programming to make the game better or more stable. ...and it is all at no additional cost to you. It isn't like they told you that it sucks you bought a broken product now pay more to fix it. If you don't want to deal with it, then don't waste your money on a brand new game on release date. Wait 6 or 7 months and purchase it. The game functions just fine, it just has some minor inconveniences that need to be worked out.
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Posted: Sep 15, 2013 3:10:22 PM - Report post  (2)  (1)       Post Reply  post reply  

again no. I do understand that its not perfect but all you do is say give them a break. No I will not they put out a sub par game and you keep on saying give them a break. so NO
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Posted: Sep 15, 2013 5:46:16 PM - Report post  (1)  (1)       Post Reply  post reply  

 quote:
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In this case, the house has a roof and the car has an engine. Maybe the roof has a few holes and the engine needs a tune up. The builders will fix your roof and the dealer will repair the engine for free. That is what the patch is for. It is literally patching holes in the original programming to make the game better or more stable. ...and it is all at no additional cost to you. It isn't like they told you that it sucks you bought a broken product now pay more to fix it. If you don't want to deal with it, then don't waste your money on a brand new game on release date. Wait 6 or 7 months and purchase it. The game functions just fine, it just has some minor inconveniences that need to be worked out.

I've got to take Rommel's position as well...

They most certainly are NOT fixing things for free, they are fixing them for the price you paid for the game already, but not giving you a final product until days/weeks/months after they have already gotten your money...

To use analogies more appropriate to the scenario at hand:

That's like going to the store and buying a pair of shoes, but the shoes are "factory seconds" that never went through any quality control, where parts are put together poorly, stitching is coming apart and the shoes themselves can't be put on and worn as actual shoes... But they make great "modern art" I guess...

Thankfully the shoe maker promises to fix those shoes for you "Soon(TM)", but in the meanwhile you're sauntering around barefoot.

No, promises of a solution tomorrow do not diminish the problems of today... Particularly when that tomorrow is a truly unknown horizon to even the developers...

In this day and age, with how involved and complex games are to make, I do not expect perfection on day one. I have been playing Rome II thus far, and enjoy it quite a bit. However I believe that I have been quite lucky in that regard, particularly given the last few Total War games since Rome: Total War, SEGA has been cranking out shoddy work for sake of timing and financial reports rather than ensuring that the product itself is in a ready enough state to see release...

All the evidence one could ever need is Empire: Total war, that was so broken that SEGA never did fix it, and abandoned it for Napoleon: Total War. It was the community that, to this day, worked on it and got it far enough along to be remotely tolerable. Worse still, Napoleon was hardly more than Empire, with the work of the community flagrantly stolen and plagiarized with a dash of odds-and-ends trimming around the edges.

While Rome II hasn't been that bad for me, for others it has, and that is simply not making a good product.

This isn't a call to not play, boycott, or any other such silliness, it's merely being intellectually honest enough to admit that Rome II is NOT a product ready for public release, it's a grand scale paid beta-test, and SEGA is laughing all the way to the bank and scheduling the cease of support in a few months or so in time for their next planned Total War game, which will also be unfinished...

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Posted: Sep 15, 2013 6:59:54 PM - Report post  (0)  (0)       Post Reply  post reply  

It's all very well, us sitting here making colourful analogies and stating in stern voices that SEGA are the devil and their business practices are bad, but what does this accomplish? You say you're not here to persuade people to avoid the game, and yet that is the only possible outcome of this thread.

Nobody's denying that the game had a bad release, nor that there's still quite a lot that needs fixing or altering; at this point I think there's only a few huskies in Alaska that haven't heard about it. The TW forums, youtube channels, reviews and social media have been a bloody warzone since release, so I think it's safe to say that CA and, by extension, SEGA, know that there's an ungodly amount of anger and disappointment that has resulted from the state of the game and whatever choices they made leading to its release in this state.

End of the day, I highly doubt CA or anyone involved in any kind of decision making at SEGA check the forums on a trainer website (No offence to CH, obviously), so these kinds of posts are all about venting your frustrations.
And I get that, I really do.

All we're saying is simmer down a bit. Whilst you're all correct in saying that this kind of business ethic shouldn't be condoned, and whilst I fully agree that if we are to stand any chance of making them change their ways we need to hammer the point home, this is the wrong place for that kind of action. I'm not saying shut up, nor am I saying that you're wrong, but this kind of heated discussion would be better off amongst all the others in a place where the relevant eyes will read it.

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Posted: Sep 17, 2013 12:17:32 AM - Report post  (0)  (0)       Post Reply  post reply  

One the total war forums they openly admit the game still needed major patching thus admitting they did release a beta state game which is utter bull$hit for people who actually bought the game.
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Posted: Sep 17, 2013 2:21:40 AM - Report post  (0)  (0)       Post Reply  post reply  

 quote:
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Whilst nobody's disagreeing with the fact that the game released in a terrible state, this is just overreacting.

Be ****ed off, sure, but all it boils down to is that we get the 'finished' game a month or two later than usual, and considering how Total War games give me hundreds of hours of entertainment for the same price many 5-10 hour games cost, I'd say it's still worth it, regardless of how annoying a buggy release is.

Just chill out a bit, it's not the end of the world.

The more reason for giving us a more worse bugfest laden games... since hey... its still give U lots of years of entertainment still + it will cost U less than $1M + its still got patched every secondly minutely hourly daily weekly monthly yearly to solved that bugfest laden problems & most important... don't worry, they will release it as fast as they could to save production cost & use their gamers as freebie beta tester more & more so the gamers can play it early & earlier so they can enjoy their entertainment earlier... so yeah, prepare to get more worse product


Since its not problem at all to release a games with 101 defects as long as its still have 102 good perks or stuffs to compensate that, including supportive CS with beautiful voices + limited edition version with unique units pack + day one or maybe hour one DLC + the patches size is less than 100Tb & hey, its free & auto update too


No wonder then our gaming world is now becoming full of many bugfest laden games that need more than 3 patches today...

Like how great our today companies like to talk BS about go green yet all they did were just churning so many products every year with short & shorter life phase, just to pollute our earth with many bad things, even recycling proses will still create another pollution & waste energy too


Hey, if people even want to gladly queque for days just to buy newest smartphone, surely people would gladly to wait for days weeks months even years too... to just play a games, especially with GOTY version

[Edited by kaizer88, 9/17/2013 2:25:31 AM]

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Posted: Sep 18, 2013 7:52:42 AM - Report post  (0)  (0)       Post Reply  post reply  

Eh, CA ALWAYS rushes release, and it's ALWAYS annoying, but no one else makes games on this scale and they always EVENTUALLY get fixed. Lets just hope this isn't a repeat of Medieval 2, which took 6 MONTHS post launch to fix a heavy cav bug which prevented them from dropping their lances into place!
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Posted: Sep 20, 2013 9:24:53 AM - Report post  (0)  (0)       Post Reply  post reply  

ever think of getting a broken phone that can't make phone calls while waiting for the engineering team fix up the software for you months later.

probably no.

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