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forty-two  posted on May 21, 2013 5:53:43 PM - Report post

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The backwards compatibility will be the killer. The PS4 is also not backwards compatible. At least the Wii-U can play Wii titles. This might actually give Nintendo a leg to stand on as I doubt people are going to be keen on ditching 7 years worth of games just to get a new title or two.

I don't really understand the backwards compatibility argument. I mean, being able to play your old games on new consoles is nice, but I keep my old consoles around for that reason... do other people throw them away or trade them in?

That's how I feel. I wasn't disappointed when I found out my Wii couldn't use a SNES cartridge to play. I have a SNES for that very reason.
The Kinect comes with it, to my knowledge. From what I understand, it's been updated for use with the Xbox One.
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I'm okay with a TV/console combo. More features means more uses. As long as they aren't taking away from the console side of things, I'm happy with it. That's like complaining about a fridge being combined with a freezer.

As far as trading in games, that is some shady business, and also my biggest complaint. Not necessarily because I trade in games all the time (it's such a rip-off that it's not worth it), but because I almost exclusively buy used games. If they get rid of the idea of used games, that sucks.

I realize I sound like a fanboy. I'm not, I promise. I'm just as likely to buy a PS4 as I am this. I just think some of these complaints are unfounded, and I want to provide my own input.

 
Dhampy  posted on May 21, 2013 5:54:25 PM - Report post

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how much farther can they go with consoles until they just become non-upgradable pc's?

That's what the current generation is.

But what the next gen is doing is trying to make the console a media center first and a game playing machine second.

I read this many years ago in an industry prediction editorial. And it's coming true.

The second half of the prediction was the dominance of facebook-style casual games on the next-gen consoles. And that will probably come true too.

 
PWizard  posted on May 21, 2013 6:02:21 PM - Report post

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Microsoft's biggest misstep is that it has lost sight of what the Xbox truly should be - A GAME CONSOLE. Instead, it wants to replace all of your other devices but yet it doesn't do anything any better than those devices.

It wants to replace your cable box yet it has no DVR capabilities.

It wants to replace your bluray player yet it has no Bluray 3D capabilities.

It wants to be the king of streaming media, yet I have about 5 other devices that all play Netflix, Amazon Instant Video and Hulu without requiring a $80/year xbox live gold membership to do it.

They barely even mentioned any games in today's announcements as they were too busy telling everyone how awesome it is to talk to your xbox.

I don't need another big black box in my entertainment center that does everything every other black box already does. I could care less about being able to tweet how awesome I am doing at FIFA 14 while I am playing the game or watch youtube videos at the same time I am trying to watch my favorite TV show. I like to focus on one thing and it would be awesome if my device would do the same.

 
jackbig  posted on May 21, 2013 6:32:42 PM - Report post

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Toastman  posted on May 21, 2013 6:37:26 PM - Report post

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Honestly, this entire system just seems like rather small excuse for a computer to attach solely to your tv to make it a bit more like a normal computer. I mean, come on. Skype? Really?

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But what the next gen is doing is trying to make the console a media center first and a game playing machine second.

I read this many years ago in an industry prediction editorial. And it's coming true.


That's funny because I heard that a while back ago before even the WiiU was released and agreed then. Microsoft's a computer company. Sony's a home entertainment company. It only makes sense that they're trying to reign in their gaming consoles to be more like their prime source of income. Eventually the systems will be identical and pretty comparable to an immobile version of the iPhone. It does a lot, but it doesn't really do anything in particular very well.

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how much farther can they go with consoles until they just become non-upgradable pc's?


They're pretty much there, my friend.

As for the Kinnect, that's still just a gimmick to try to keep up with Nintendo's motion control. I was really hoping that'd have died with the 360, but whatever. The no-backwards-compatibility really sucks, but still not that big of a deal. As it was mentioned here somewhere, we keep our older consoles for a reason. I know a lot of people don't, but if you really want to play those games again, you'll keep your 360. Besides, most of them will eventually be re-released under the Virtual Console header eventually. The only major downside to having to rely on your old consoles is exactly that. They're old. After a while, they start to break down. There's a reason I use my Ps2 rather than dust off my Ps1 every time I want to play FF8. It's old and probably wouldn't handle it that well. She's like my grandma. I have to take care of her and make sure she's not working too hard too long. That being said, even my Ps2 needs love. It takes a good 5-8 minutes for her to load up games nowadays. Sad times.

 
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The backwards compatibility will be the killer. The PS4 is also not backwards compatible. At least the Wii-U can play Wii titles. This might actually give Nintendo a leg to stand on as I doubt people are going to be keen on ditching 7 years worth of games just to get a new title or two.

I don't really understand the backwards compatibility argument. I mean, being able to play your old games on new consoles is nice, but I keep my old consoles around for that reason... do other people throw them away or trade them in?

I don't usually get rid of my old consoles, but I would much prefer to be able to just play everything on one console rather than switching back and forth. When the GameCube came out, it was a switch from cartridges to discs; therefore, I can understand the lack of backwards compatibility. In this case, they aren't introducing a whole new revolutionary physical copy of the games, they're just not allowing us to play our old games.

I wasn't happy at all when the DSi couldn't play GBA games, or even when the DS couldn't play GBC games. This isn't really a whole lot different.

 
Neo7  posted on May 21, 2013 11:18:20 PM - Report post

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Microsoft's biggest misstep is that it has lost sight of what the Xbox truly should be - A GAME CONSOLE. Instead, it wants to replace all of your other devices but yet it doesn't do anything any better than those devices.

It wants to replace your cable box yet it has no DVR capabilities.

It wants to replace your bluray player yet it has no Bluray 3D capabilities.

It wants to be the king of streaming media, yet I have about 5 other devices that all play Netflix, Amazon Instant Video and Hulu without requiring a $80/year xbox live gold membership to do it.

They barely even mentioned any games in today's announcements as they were too busy telling everyone how awesome it is to talk to your xbox.

I don't need another big black box in my entertainment center that does everything every other black box already does. I could care less about being able to tweet how awesome I am doing at FIFA 14 while I am playing the game or watch youtube videos at the same time I am trying to watch my favorite TV show. I like to focus on one thing and it would be awesome if my device would do the same.

The sad part is that it has another product that does all of the non-gaming aspects much better (which I use). It's called Microsoft Windows installed on an HTPC device. Together with an NAS storage setup or a home server, it's unbeatable for home entertainment they tried with the X-Box One.

[Edited by Neo7, 5/21/2013 11:18:37 PM]

 
Latiosmaster47  posted on May 21, 2013 11:21:50 PM - Report post

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I don't need another big black box in my entertainment center that does everything every other black box already does.

I hear that. I've got a gaming PC and a Wii currently hooked up in my living room and I can pretty much play whatever I want.

That being said, handheld games still reign supreme in my book because no one has been able to defeat their 'gaming while on the toilet' technological ability.

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