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saurabhfzd  posted on Nov 16, 2012 1:35:23 AM - Report post

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The planet suffers because we dig up ore and oil? Isn't oil just organic matter anyway? That stuff never used to be there, perhaps the planet is thankful that we are removing it?..

god forbid someone has a tumor inside him or her. to save a life we need to get that tumor out. it wasn't there before but its there now and we need to get it out to save a life and we do and a life is saved. but in that process, even with all our technological advancement, we're causing causing injury, we're causing displacement. i'd say same goes for ur argument. the injury we cause, the displacement we effect is a damage that can never truly be done away with. no matter how life saving it is. cause and effect.

and seeing all the lush forests disappear, the soil erosion because of it resulting in massive land slides and mass displacement of native population, are just some of the problems that we keep creating. granted it is in our nature as a species, to adapt. but...not sure the long term implications are very bright. we do have just one Earth.

 
benduhova  posted on Nov 16, 2012 1:52:12 AM - Report post

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Saurabhfzd@Yes man is "destroying" the earth but earth has been destroyed many times over the great latter bombardment wiped earth clean and threw up dust and ash clouds that covered the earth for centuries, there has been volcanic activity which put more pollution in the atmosphere than man could do in a thousand livetimes. But life just resets and starts over we as a species just think because we wont be here that it is the "end of the world"earth couldnt give a rats backside what walks and squats on it
 
DDS  posted on Nov 16, 2012 1:59:47 AM - Report post

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Saurabhfzd@Yes man is "destroying" the earth but earth has been destroyed many times over the great latter bombardment wiped earth clean and threw up dust and ash clouds that covered the earth for centuries, there has been volcanic activity which put more pollution in the atmosphere than man could do in a thousand livetimes. But life just resets and starts over we as a species just think because we wont be here that it is the "end of the world"earth couldnt give a rats backside what walks and squats on it

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saurabhfzd  posted on Nov 16, 2012 4:14:50 AM - Report post

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Saurabhfzd@Yes man is "destroying" the earth but earth has been destroyed many times over the great latter bombardment wiped earth clean and threw up dust and ash clouds that covered the earth for centuries, there has been volcanic activity which put more pollution in the atmosphere than man could do in a thousand livetimes. But life just resets and starts over we as a species just think because we wont be here that it is the "end of the world"earth couldnt give a rats backside what walks and squats on it

i agree. we will adapt...even if our children have to live wearing gas masks.

its one thing to have the Earth reset itself and the process is usually cataclysmic, its quite another to repeatedly ravage it and do little to repair the damage we cause. u have to remember that the Earth's process of 'reset' is natural and then the process of repair is comprehensive. see, nature is a lot smarter in that it handles change and adaptation so well.

we have to use Earth's natural resources to survive. i know. but we can do it smart. a wholehearted attempt to undo some of the damage we cause from time to time is needed. we do need to strike a balance between progress and preservation.

 
Elite  posted on Nov 16, 2012 6:28:58 AM - Report post

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Saurabhfzd@Yes man is "destroying" the earth but earth has been destroyed many times over the great latter bombardment wiped earth clean and threw up dust and ash clouds that covered the earth for centuries, there has been volcanic activity which put more pollution in the atmosphere than man could do in a thousand livetimes. But life just resets and starts over we as a species just think because we wont be here that it is the "end of the world"earth couldnt give a rats backside what walks and squats on it

i agree. we will adapt...even if our children have to live wearing gas masks.

its one thing to have the Earth reset itself and the process is usually cataclysmic, its quite another to repeatedly ravage it and do little to repair the damage we cause. u have to remember that the Earth's process of 'reset' is natural and then the process of repair is comprehensive. see, nature is a lot smarter in that it handles change and adaptation so well.

we have to use Earth's natural resources to survive. i know. but we can do it smart. a wholehearted attempt to undo some of the damage we cause from time to time is needed. we do need to strike a balance between progress and preservation.

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Something worth skimming through to get an idea of just how insignificant the effects of human activity is in the long run. 250 million years ago more than half of all life on Earth was wiped out. Nothing humans could possibly do could come close to that. Yet in the long run, despite this, life flourished. One seems bad in the short term may have positive effects in the future.

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saurabhfzd  posted on Nov 16, 2012 7:10:53 AM - Report post

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here's what u don't get. there's a difference between a 'Natural Event' and 'Human Event'. Mass Extinction by Nature to 'reset' the balance is one thing and choking urself to death by self-increase of CO2 emissions is quite another. its like a 'self goal'.

nature seeks to balance itself every few million years probably because its Nature's way of cutting down on the number of its inhabitants. only keeping an approximate number that it can successfully sustain. and i have seen plenty of these 'Extinction Event' theories too. its fun to see them go around in circles. one camp tearing down the other.

 
benduhova  posted on Nov 17, 2012 3:16:24 PM - Report post

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Balance is the key but what you add on one side ie more humans then you need to take away from the other ie other animals untill man will be the only species apart from the ones we eat and keep for pets/amusment once we as a people/whole can grasp this concept life will be simpler for all
 
Plageron  posted on Nov 23, 2012 3:16:15 PM - Report post

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Yes we as a Species are responsible.

The reason is elgent and simple....its because we as a species have feelings and we care due to our own emotions.

Yes we do things as a species and yes anything that happens becomes the responsibility of the ones born later who had nothing to do with it.

In your anology you believe the earth is responsible or some outside non-thinking influence...but those things have no thoughts.....they do not care.

Thus becasue of that they cannot be responsible or take responsability.

Its is our emotions and thinking process that imprison us to be the pariahs we makes ourselves out to be....and it is this fact that makes us responsible and for the way the world is.

Enviornments may infact be random or shaped by others....but our own perceptions are what tell us how to act or think.

I.e. Its becasue we as a species think and have emotions thus have a belief of what is right or wrong that makes us as a species responsible and thus the only ones to blame...becasue there is no one else.

Perhaps if Monkeys or some other species where found with enough self awareness and intellect...we of the human species would pass the blame on to them.....but for right now...there is nothing else.

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