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Posted: Apr 08, 2012 3:24:45 PM - Report post  (0)  (0)       Post Reply  post reply  

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 quote:
 originally posted by LoopDaLoop:

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 originally posted by benduhova:

hell no its a privilege not a right

Not really. Most of the world has internet now with normal 5mbit speed. This isn't 1980's or 1990's when internet was a privilege. Internet through optical fiber is a privilege. It's more of a thing you need now.

For example, other than playing games, I use my internet to do homework posted on our Uni website, we can also download missed classes, exam examples and results, future assignments and apply for exam deadlines.

It's definitely not a privilege, I wholeheartedly agree - like I said, it's a service - but, at the same time, not being able to play games which need a connection, or not having access to resources you usually use for your homework wouldn't be infringing on your human rights.

Like I said, what did you do before the Internet was such a widely available resource?

Maybe if every information resource other than the Internet had been wiped off the face of the Earth, and communicating with people in a way which didn't involve the Internet in some way was all but impossible then yeah, Internet access may be considered a basic human right... but we're nowhere near that point.

[Edited by Skyheart, 4/8/2012 3:09:39 PM]

yes your right about it being a service and as such most internet services are provided by private companies ie not government and not paid for by taxes so access to it is a privilege granted to you by paying for it
just because there is a cable going to your house it doesnt grant you the right to use it

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 originally posted by Skyheart:

 quote:
 originally posted by LoopDaLoop:

 quote:
 originally posted by benduhova:

hell no its a privilege not a right

Not really. Most of the world has internet now with normal 5mbit speed. This isn't 1980's or 1990's when internet was a privilege. Internet through optical fiber is a privilege. It's more of a thing you need now.

For example, other than playing games, I use my internet to do homework posted on our Uni website, we can also download missed classes, exam examples and results, future assignments and apply for exam deadlines.

It's definitely not a privilege, I wholeheartedly agree - like I said, it's a service - but, at the same time, not being able to play games which need a connection, or not having access to resources you usually use for your homework wouldn't be infringing on your human rights.

Like I said, what did you do before the Internet was such a widely available resource?

Maybe if every information resource other than the Internet had been wiped off the face of the Earth, and communicating with people in a way which didn't involve the Internet in some way was all but impossible then yeah, Internet access may be considered a basic human right... but we're nowhere near that point.

[Edited by Skyheart, 4/8/2012 3:09:39 PM]

Sky, I never said it's infringing on human rights. I just tried to explain why internet is more of a service more and more people need in our time, like you said, rather than a privilege.

Before internet became so wide like it is now, you'd just sit in a car or on your bike and drive to a friend or city to do what you need to do. Seeing as how gas prices are skyrocketing, it's easier and cheaper to do it over the internet, but that's for another topic.

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 quote:
 originally posted by LoopDaLoop:

 quote:
 originally posted by Skyheart:

 quote:
 originally posted by LoopDaLoop:

 quote:
 originally posted by benduhova:

hell no its a privilege not a right

Not really. Most of the world has internet now with normal 5mbit speed. This isn't 1980's or 1990's when internet was a privilege. Internet through optical fiber is a privilege. It's more of a thing you need now.

For example, other than playing games, I use my internet to do homework posted on our Uni website, we can also download missed classes, exam examples and results, future assignments and apply for exam deadlines.

It's definitely not a privilege, I wholeheartedly agree - like I said, it's a service - but, at the same time, not being able to play games which need a connection, or not having access to resources you usually use for your homework wouldn't be infringing on your human rights.

Like I said, what did you do before the Internet was such a widely available resource?

Maybe if every information resource other than the Internet had been wiped off the face of the Earth, and communicating with people in a way which didn't involve the Internet in some way was all but impossible then yeah, Internet access may be considered a basic human right... but we're nowhere near that point.

[Edited by Skyheart, 4/8/2012 3:09:39 PM]

Sky, I never said it's infringing on human rights. I just tried to explain why internet is more of a service more and more people need in our time, like you said, rather than a privilege.

Before internet became so wide like it is now, you'd just sit in a car or on your bike and drive to a friend or city to do what you need to do. Seeing as how gas prices are skyrocketing, it's easier and cheaper to do it over the internet, but that's for another topic.

Ah, my apologies, I misinterpreted what you said based on your previous post, though I was trying to be more general than speaking towards you directly, too.

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Perhaps I am reading too much into it, but I believe there is an ideal rampantly utilized within the internet that is a basic human right. That is the freedom of speech. This is where I see the internet, or at least access to it as a basic human right. I am not suggesting that it be made free for everyone (although I would not complain). Rather, I am attempting to imply that countries which ban the internet are infringing on the basic human right to freedom of speech. I understand that is because the countries may not recognize this simple right. To put it simply, I firmly believe that everyone should have access to the information on the internet whether it be for a monetary price or not.
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Posted: Apr 08, 2012 5:33:35 PM - Report post  (0)  (0)       Post Reply  post reply  

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Perhaps I am reading too much into it, but I believe there is an ideal rampantly utilized within the internet that is a basic human right. That is the freedom of speech. This is where I see the internet, or at least access to it as a basic human right. I am not suggesting that it be made free for everyone (although I would not complain). Rather, I am attempting to imply that countries which ban the internet are infringing on the basic human right to freedom of speech. I understand that is because the countries may not recognize this simple right. To put it simply, I firmly believe that everyone should have access to the information on the internet whether it be for a monetary price or not.

That's what I was poking at, though you probably made the point come across a bit more clearly.

In countries where the internet is heavily censored or even just unnecessarily restricted to the higher classes that can afford inflated fees, there is not really a fear of it just being accessed, but rather what will be accessed. Any kind of material that does not agree with the people controlling said access is not just offensive to their beliefs, but allowing anybody else the ability to utilize free thought and come to their own opinion is obviously a byproduct of the information corrupting everyone who reads it.

God forbid you let a significant number of people benefit from the increased ability to learn and communicate just because some of them will convert to another religion or come to terms with their own identity.

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It's all been said above. But no, technically it should never need to become a 'human right', but it also shouldn't be in the government's right to take it away. .dɹǝp
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No. Using that ideology, electricity should also be a right since it is taken more for granted than the internet is.

I myself don't look at it as a human right, But as you compared it with electricity, so yeah government MUST provide a high speed internet for their people without censorship or any limit. Now days needing a high speed internet is sensed more than any other living standards.
A speed over 8mb for every people. For both people living in urban or in the country with a really cheap price.

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It's a luxury, like owning a vehicle or TV, it is not essential to your living a healthy life, so it should not be included in your basic human rights.

But if its more of a question of governments or companies purposely preventing access to the internet or parts of it, then I don't really know. I can understand the restricting of websites which contain illegal content (eg snuff movies or child porn) - but that's about it.


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