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Bioware has an F rating on BBB
 
Latiosmaster47  posted on Apr 04, 2012 6:38:28 PM - Report post

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I love it when Americans get together for a voting session on different rubbish things.

It makes me laugh and pee pee a little.

Haha gross, also this video made me laugh: Link

 
Shotgunmaniac  posted on Apr 04, 2012 6:51:52 PM - Report post

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In related news, EA just might be win the "worst company in america" award: Link

EA really did win. That's really strange to me considering that BoA has a larger customer base than EA and BoA's customers have a plethora of horror stories.

It's not really surprising considering BoA has the ability to tell the federal government that that was just a one time deal, that no, screwing over a few dozen thousand people was just a phase, they won't hit us again, they swear, they were just drunk and angry that they didn't get that promotion to global chiefs of screwing people over. It won't happen again!

Meanwhile, wholly unrelated of course, I am still suffering quite a bit due to my parents' insurance company griping at them over payments arriving a few days late. I don't think it has anything to do with the $24,000 of theirs that BoA had and subsequently took for themselves when both of them got cancer within six months of each other, nope.

I dislike EA and BioWare and a number of things they do, but any of the higher level owners of BoA - them, I hate. Honestly? EA somehow being hated more than BoA at any one time warrants an actually apt comparison to Hitler on BoA's part. They can literally tell tons of Americans that they are an awesome bank that can never screw anyone over, and that credit unions are evil. Then, when it's proven that they have and that credit unions are actually pretty nice people, they claim that it was just that once, and that it'll never happen again while they reach for your wallet. Comparison to Hitler comes from the fact that he did the same damn thing, multiple times, 'cept with far worse actions each time.

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I love it when Americans get together for a voting session on different rubbish things.
It makes me laugh and pee pee a little.


If you're gonna deplore a people, a notion, or a movement, do it right. Include points along with the attempts at ironic humor. Just a suggestion.

I don't really think it's a "rubbish" idea, either. It was a vote organized by a consumer group, and getting a feel for who is generally ****ing people off is kind of what they do. For the larger group of Americans you insulted, I don't know about how your incredibly complex voting systems in the UK go, but voting for online polls of a non-marketing nature in the US takes all of a minute. At most, ten, and that's only if it requires organization of answers instead of just answers.

 
malyg  posted on Apr 04, 2012 7:56:06 PM - Report post

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I find this hilarious seeing as Capcom has an A+ rating, and I have more complaints about Capcom games than I do about Bioware games.

Capcom got an A*.
What.
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I think a Phoenix/Layton crossover localisation has been announced since then.

 
Shotgunmaniac  posted on Apr 04, 2012 10:04:21 PM - Report post

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I find this hilarious seeing as Capcom has an A+ rating, and I have more complaints about Capcom games than I do about Bioware games.

Capcom got an A*.
What.
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I think a Phoenix/Layton crossover localisation has been announced since then.

My dear boy, recite the mantra of madness:

"Status Quo Is God!"

It took a beloved franchise of BioWare's not getting a fan-satisfactory ending/an ending with no closure/existentialist crisis to get people in a rut over Mass Effect. Capcom is a company that continues to break even despite a harshly enforced policy of ensuring that 95% of their releases are all part of pre-existing franchises. They've got two original titles being released this year. Maybe three, if you count Steel Battalion being rebooted as something original.

Otherwise, it is damn hard to actually get any large number of people worked up over anything they do. That image? Let me nitpick. Left-right, row by row.
RE5 - On-disc DLC isn't really such a big deal any more, unless only some discs get it.
DR2: CZ - Acted as a paid playable prologue with the ability to import your level and any unlocked weapons/costumes.
DmC - Hideki Karniya (director, guy who made Dante Dante) left Capcom right after the first game in the franchise, as the second and third games pretty blatantly show. And anyone who uses "Developed by Ninja Theory" as a negative is immediately flagging themselves for a punch to the face in my book.
Random Guy From Phoenix Wright that Nobody Liked's Own Little Adventure 2: I'm kidding. I'm sure some people like Miles just fine. But not localizing that game is hardly a travesty, seeing as every game in the series sells much better in Japan, and it sold even worse than the original did. Which, by the way, sold worse than every other game in the Ace Attorney series. Secondary mantra of mandess: "Money, Dear Boy."
Game I honestly don't recognize and Bionic Commando Rearmed 2: Arcade releases, PSN requirement is laughable if there's not also a XBL requirement.
Layton vs. Ace Attorney - See the Edgeworth sequel's entry, but this time, add that the 3DS in US is still perceived as untested waters.

And now I'm sad and refuse to nitpick further, because Layton is Level-5's baby, and I want them to get as much money as feasibly possible since the are responsible for Dark Cloud and White Knight Chronicles. But for the most part, DLC, DRM, localizing. Status quo, status quo, money.

 
Skyheart  posted on Apr 05, 2012 4:17:57 AM - Report post

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Capcom's only worthwhile franchise is Layton, and it's technically not theirs. They're just the publisher. A crap publisher at that, who won't localise games despite the insane amount of demand for them. Seriously, who gives up that amount of potential revenue these days?

They've torn everything else up one side and down the other. Resident Evil used to be good. I've never been a fan of fighting games, but Tekken and SF were at least playable. They destroyed Bionic Commando, DMC was a brainless hack'n'slash, but it was at least an enjoyable brainless hack'n'slash, etc etc.

Like I said in a previous post, so many other devs make awful games and terrible decisions, and still end up with praise. Either that or the loudest criticism doesn't last more than a week. To single out BW for an ending of a single game... well, I've said my piece on that.

@DAB: I think you'll find far more than just Americans in this whole debacle. I don't know if the site in question is only open to Americans, but I guarentee you if it isn't/wasn't, there'd be idiots worldwide involved in it. It's not fair to blame the whole "take it back movement" for this - as silly as I think it may be - so I doubt it's particularly fair to generalise a whole country in this, for, again, a small percentage of people.

 
Neo7  posted on Apr 07, 2012 7:53:00 PM - Report post

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There are some rumors going around about EA being in some kind of "full damage control". Seeing that the credentials are a 4chan post from a "disgruntled ex-employee, the ethos is not very strong. Stocks for EA took a drop because of it nonetheless though which is not good (it could be because they won the golden poo award though).

[Edited by Neo7, 4/7/2012 7:54:03 PM]

 
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I find this hilarious seeing as Capcom has an A+ rating, and I have more complaints about Capcom games than I do about Bioware games.

Capcom got an A*.
What.
Link
I think a Phoenix/Layton crossover localisation has been announced since then.

My dear boy, recite the mantra of madness:

"Status Quo Is God!"

It took a beloved franchise of BioWare's not getting a fan-satisfactory ending/an ending with no closure/existentialist crisis to get people in a rut over Mass Effect. Capcom is a company that continues to break even despite a harshly enforced policy of ensuring that 95% of their releases are all part of pre-existing franchises. They've got two original titles being released this year. Maybe three, if you count Steel Battalion being rebooted as something original.

Otherwise, it is damn hard to actually get any large number of people worked up over anything they do. That image? Let me nitpick. Left-right, row by row.
RE5 - On-disc DLC isn't really such a big deal any more, unless only some discs get it.
DR2: CZ - Acted as a paid playable prologue with the ability to import your level and any unlocked weapons/costumes.
DmC - Hideki Karniya (director, guy who made Dante Dante) left Capcom right after the first game in the franchise, as the second and third games pretty blatantly show. And anyone who uses "Developed by Ninja Theory" as a negative is immediately flagging themselves for a punch to the face in my book.
Random Guy From Phoenix Wright that Nobody Liked's Own Little Adventure 2: I'm kidding. I'm sure some people like Miles just fine. But not localizing that game is hardly a travesty, seeing as every game in the series sells much better in Japan, and it sold even worse than the original did. Which, by the way, sold worse than every other game in the Ace Attorney series. Secondary mantra of mandess: "Money, Dear Boy."
Game I honestly don't recognize and Bionic Commando Rearmed 2: Arcade releases, PSN requirement is laughable if there's not also a XBL requirement.
Layton vs. Ace Attorney - See the Edgeworth sequel's entry, but this time, add that the 3DS in US is still perceived as untested waters.

And now I'm sad and refuse to nitpick further, because Layton is Level-5's baby, and I want them to get as much money as feasibly possible since the are responsible for Dark Cloud and White Knight Chronicles. But for the most part, DLC, DRM, localizing. Status quo, status quo, money.

Who cares about reasoning. This Bioware example pretty much proves that people are idiots who get butthurt over anything if it goes against what they want.
The amount of rage going about the internet when UMvC3 was announced half a year after the initial game and then within a week Megaman Legends 3 gets canned was ridiculous.
I don't particularly have anything against Capcom. The only thing that effects me in that list is Investigations 2 not getting a localization =(.
But nearly everything on that list has given Capcom fans a reason to ***** and moan, especially with DLC. Modern day Capcom fighting games seem to use the method of giving you 4/5's of a game for £40 and then making you pay through downloadable or on-disk DLC to get the rest of the game. And it's not like I'm speaking against the crowd. From what I've seen that is the general consensus on Capcom, even by its fans.
I'm just surprised they got an A* is all.

 
Shotgunmaniac  posted on Apr 08, 2012 2:27:29 PM - Report post

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Honestly? Most people do not use the BBB to report... Well, I'm not sure what you'd call Capcom's stagnation and "you will like the status quo and give us lots of money or you will not play our games" attitude. I suppose you could say that though it is a factor, it is not the main purpose or even close to most significant factor in a business's score. I mean, after all, you're not going to possibly damn a company on an actually really important listing service just because you don't like that they're not making all the products you want or are releasing too many, right?

It's really more about a company's ethics and customer relations/support than their business practices themselves. I myself have had to deal with Capcom in the former capacity, and even if they don't exactly seem to in the greater sense, (with the no localizations and such) they do care about their customers. They genuinely don't think there's much difference between on-disc DLC and downloadable, and the fact that they defended that viewpoint at all is proof enough that they are not pompous asses.

But I guess what my main point is, BBB score is about how well a company works, not how their work ultimately compares to their customers' desires. I can see EA having an F+, though. Namely, because I'm probably on that list of complaints against them that were never resolved. Moving from EADM to Origin, they invalidated all of my CD keys for the games I had on my EA account and left me with no way to play them. I actually checked the other day, and I suppose that's technically not true - a CD key I had for the first BF2 expansion (from a retail key) was different on my Origin account than my key was, so it didn't work when installed from Origin. I had about eight games bought through EADM itself though, (so can't install from disc and use the real key) and talking with customer support boiled down to them telling me exactly where I could shove said CD keys.

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