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Shepard indoctrinated?
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    goldsaiyan posted on Mar 14, 2012 8:34:05 PM - Report post
     
    i chose to destroy those reaps i agree man...
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    lucious20042002 posted on Mar 14, 2012 10:16:07 PM - Report post
     
    All i see coming here if indeed there is an extra ending aka if the original endings where 'indoc', is basically this EA once again squeezing more money out of its users, what should have been closure for a lot of fans of this series is, now one of two things, the first being a complete waste of time and effort in the entire series not just me3 or the 2nd being as stated above EA squeezing more money out of people probably with some DLC that basically finishes the game how the community expected it to finish, and with closure to the series.

    Thats my thoughts on it
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    dominius2885 posted on Mar 14, 2012 10:53:44 PM - Report post
     
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    I dunno. The whole indoctrination theory just doesn't vibe well with me. For all accounts throughout the ME series it's stated that indoctrination takes quite some time for it to take effect, being subtle at first.

    If the ending sequences really just were an indoctrination hallucination why the hell didn't sovereign just use that in ME1 during the Citadel account to hold Shepard away from the controls.

    I don't know there's a lot of speculation out there but the endings just don't make sense to me, no matter how you put it

    Actually, in the 'Journal' under indoctrination, it says it can happen quickly, but with side effects and with the user often dying shortly thereafter the indoctrination takes effect. I can't remember if it's in ME2 or 3 or both, been playing them all a LOT lately.

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    Skyheart posted on Mar 15, 2012 3:16:50 AM - Report post
     
    Still don't buy the indoctrination.

    If he was indoctrinated, Shep have gone for the option the Reapers wanted him to go for, just like TIM, just like every other person ever indoctrinated.

    If he had gone for the destroy option despite being indoctrinated, whichever Reaper was watching over the whole thing could have wiped that hole section out with a swipe of its main weapon before he got near it.

    Saying something is this or isn't that at the moment is silly. No one knows for certain except the guys who made the game. Insider information or not, since the last time anyone quoted inside information they were wrong due to supposed "last minute changes."
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    ServiusTheBear posted on Mar 15, 2012 3:18:58 AM - Report post
     
    I actually like the Idea of the indoctrination theory. This sounds a good twist. Also from those twitter comments there could be more with Shepard since they said keep your saves. Hmmm sitting on the fence waiting to see what happens. But am liking somethings am hearing.
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    Skyheart posted on Mar 15, 2012 3:40:18 AM - Report post
     
    In fairness if you want to play any DLC you'll have to keep your saves. Either that or start from the beginning again.

    I think finding out the whole thing was indoctrination, to me, would be like the endings as a whole to the vocal arguments against them. Very disappointing. The whole series has been about making your own Shepard, making your own choices and sometimes being forced to make very hard choices.

    To find out that the most important of those choices at the end (or even in the whole game) weren't even mine would defeat the whole purpose of the games for me.

    Of course, if they somehow manage to make the whole thing an indoctrinated hallucination or whatever but in a meaningful way, then I'll accept it. Let's face it, either way I'm going to play it

    What I do like the sound of, is the ambiguity in the post about Shep dying in all of the endings. They make it sound like there's a possibility that, in the Synth and Control endings, he doesn't necessarily die.

    [Edited by Skyheart, 3/15/2012 3:45:39 AM]
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    Drakonis posted on Mar 15, 2012 4:45:31 AM - Report post
     
    quote:
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    Still don't buy the indoctrination.

    If he was indoctrinated, Shep have gone for the option the Reapers wanted him to go for, just like TIM, just like every other person ever indoctrinated.

    If he had gone for the destroy option despite being indoctrinated, whichever Reaper was watching over the whole thing could have wiped that hole section out with a swipe of its main weapon before he got near it.

    Saying something is this or isn't that at the moment is silly. No one knows for certain except the guys who made the game. Insider information or not, since the last time anyone quoted inside information they were wrong due to supposed "last minute changes."

    Of course we don't know right now, but there are lots of little hints for people to speculate. One way or the other I still love the game and I have no hatred or animosity towards Bioware because I was somewhat disappointed in the ending.

    In regards to the indoctrination theory, if Shepard chooses synthesis or control he becomes indoctrinated. If he chooses destroy, he is not indoctrinated which is why you see him back on Earth in the rubble taking a breath. This seems to indicate he never was on the Citadel and it was attempted indoctrination.

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    Skyheart posted on Mar 15, 2012 4:53:28 AM - Report post
     
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    Still don't buy the indoctrination.

    If he was indoctrinated, Shep have gone for the option the Reapers wanted him to go for, just like TIM, just like every other person ever indoctrinated.

    If he had gone for the destroy option despite being indoctrinated, whichever Reaper was watching over the whole thing could have wiped that hole section out with a swipe of its main weapon before he got near it.

    Saying something is this or isn't that at the moment is silly. No one knows for certain except the guys who made the game. Insider information or not, since the last time anyone quoted inside information they were wrong due to supposed "last minute changes."

    Of course we don't know right now, but there are lots of little hints for people to speculate. One way or the other I still love the game and I have no hatred or animosity towards Bioware because I was somewhat disappointed in the ending.

    In regards to the indoctrination theory, if Shepard chooses synthesis or control he becomes indoctrinated. If he chooses destroy, he is not indoctrinated which is why you see him back on Earth in the rubble taking a breath. This seems to indicate he never was on the Citadel and it was attempted indoctrination.

    I've always seen it as the implication being for the control or synthesis ending, Shepard has to give his own life to merge with the Crucible to start the process. Can't become indoctrinated if you're dead.

    Though, to be honest, in every ending the Reapers lose. Destroy = they're all destroyed, Synthesis = all synthetics get merged with organics = essentially the Reapers cease to exist, and control = Shepard, or whatever he becomes, gains control over the Reapers, so again they lose.

    It'd be kind of silly to indoctrinate the guy then offer him three choices in which they lose every time.

    "Remember the good old days when you could just slap Omni-Gel on everything?" - Shepard, ME2

    "Not right now. Trying to determine how Scale Itch got aboard. Sexually transmitted disease carried only by Varren..... Implications unpleasant." - Mordin, ME2
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