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infinite_gamer  posted on Dec 09, 2011 12:05:47 AM - Report post

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You are comparing two very different games,I like Saints row the third because it's just plain crazy and makes no sense.
Not the gameplay.

AC:R,is a story driven game.I still stand by what i said.
I still go for a good story rather than gameplay.
I just stated that it's a nice break,if you just want to get crazy silly.

 
Skyheart  posted on Dec 09, 2011 2:11:42 AM - Report post

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originally posted by 42N8Son

quote:
originally posted by infinite_gamer

This game is RIDICULOUS!!!
And,i mean GOOD,BAD-A@#,FUN RIDICULOUS!!!
Blow the @#$% out of EVERYTHING!!!

This game is nothing like the first two games(which is good for me,i thought they got boring and redundant after a short time)
If you like the first two,this will be a very different game,if you don't,this will be a better game,IMO.

It's just good ole fashion sensless violence.
It has a story to it,kinda short,but good.
I was hesitant about buying it at first,but,i kept seeing and reading about how fun it was and broke down.

Iam GLAD i did!!! I HIGHLY recomend this game!!!

[Edited by infinite_gamer, 12/8/2011 12:35:52 AM]

This is why I said in the AC Revelations forums that gameplay was more important to gamers than story. Saints Row The Third has very little story and it's the gameplay that makes this game shine. This game is a gem even though there's not much story to it. There's just so many things in this game that you can do. It's a must own game if you like the Grand Theft Auto games or the Mafia games. Get it, own it, love it!

Fortunate Son

As IG said, you're comparing two completely different games. It's like comparing Call of Duty with Monkey Island.

Games like SR3 are designed to be wacked out fun where you can do anything you want. For games like that, it's very difficult to attach a strong story to (even Skyrim has difficulty creating a strong, fluid story in terms of the main quest because the game is just so huge and there's so much to do, it's impossible to keep the pacing required), which is why most reviews either ignore or criticise the story.

While SR3 is a game built around pure chaos, Assassin's Creed is a game built around a story. Not only that, it's not a true sandbox game. The only thing you're free to do is run around jumping over buildings. Everything else is scripted, so to speak, such as assassin missions, the main sequences, collecting things, etc. You're punished for doing things you're not supposed to, such as killing random innocents, which you wouldn't get in a true sandbox game.

On point though, Saint's Row: The Third is crazy fun. I haven't laughed so much at a game before than I did during the first hour of this. I'd definitely recommend it to anyone who wants an environment to do whatever the heck you want. This is what GTA IV should have been.

 
betpet  posted on Dec 09, 2011 2:38:30 AM - Report post

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I'd pretty much class it as a cross between GTA4 and Just Cause 2. There are silly elements which, to me, just add to the game. GTA4 was very serious. JC2 was very cliche. SR3 is inbetween with an added silly element occasionally.

Personally I love it both to play and conceptually. Well worth getting.

 
42N8Son  posted on Dec 09, 2011 5:35:30 AM - Report post

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quote:
originally posted by Skyheart

quote:
originally posted by 42N8Son

quote:
originally posted by infinite_gamer

This game is RIDICULOUS!!!
And,i mean GOOD,BAD-A@#,FUN RIDICULOUS!!!
Blow the @#$% out of EVERYTHING!!!

This game is nothing like the first two games(which is good for me,i thought they got boring and redundant after a short time)
If you like the first two,this will be a very different game,if you don't,this will be a better game,IMO.

It's just good ole fashion sensless violence.
It has a story to it,kinda short,but good.
I was hesitant about buying it at first,but,i kept seeing and reading about how fun it was and broke down.

Iam GLAD i did!!! I HIGHLY recomend this game!!!

[Edited by infinite_gamer, 12/8/2011 12:35:52 AM]

This is why I said in the AC Revelations forums that gameplay was more important to gamers than story. Saints Row The Third has very little story and it's the gameplay that makes this game shine. This game is a gem even though there's not much story to it. There's just so many things in this game that you can do. It's a must own game if you like the Grand Theft Auto games or the Mafia games. Get it, own it, love it!

Fortunate Son

As IG said, you're comparing two completely different games. It's like comparing Call of Duty with Monkey Island.

Games like SR3 are designed to be wacked out fun where you can do anything you want. For games like that, it's very difficult to attach a strong story to (even Skyrim has difficulty creating a strong, fluid story in terms of the main quest because the game is just so huge and there's so much to do, it's impossible to keep the pacing required), which is why most reviews either ignore or criticise the story.

While SR3 is a game built around pure chaos, Assassin's Creed is a game built around a story. Not only that, it's not a true sandbox game. The only thing you're free to do is run around jumping over buildings. Everything else is scripted, so to speak, such as assassin missions, the main sequences, collecting things, etc. You're punished for doing things you're not supposed to, such as killing random innocents, which you wouldn't get in a true sandbox game.

On point though, Saint's Row: The Third is crazy fun. I haven't laughed so much at a game before than I did during the first hour of this. I'd definitely recommend it to anyone who wants an environment to do whatever the heck you want. This is what GTA IV should have been.

This started as a disagreement about what gamers prefer when it comes to games - "gameplay or story?" What I was saying in the AC3 forums was that the gameplay was lacking compared to its story. In SR3, it's the other way around. Most gamers don't care too much about story compared to gameplay. The sales speak for themselves. SR3 blows AC3 away on all systems. Why? Because its "gameplay" is far superior to AC3. Doesn't matter that the two games are completely different. I'm just saying that it's gameplay that gamers want - not stories. If gamers wanted stories they'd go to Barnes & Nobles and buy a book. Gamers want gameplay that is exciting and that gives you practically unlimited options like what you get in SR3 where your imagination can run completely wild and where you create your own story. AC3 has a great story but the gameplay sucks (at least IMO). Each release of AC3 feels completely the same to me as the previous one. But we all shelled out $49.99 to get another piece of its story. To me, that's a rip off. From now, I'm sticking to games like SR3 that offer fun gameplay. I'll leave the stories to the novelists that sell books for under $15 at the book store.

Cheers!

Fortunate Son

[Edited by 42N8Son, 12/9/2011 5:39:05 AM]

 
Skyheart  posted on Dec 09, 2011 6:59:57 AM - Report post

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You're using sales to back up your argument that gameplay is more important over story? Sorry, but any credibility your argument had left after comparing AC and SR just went out of the window.

Especially given that you obviously haven't looked up the sales figures for either game:

Saints Row: The Third:
PS3 - 639,548
360 - 1,019,983
PC - 93, 541

Assassin's Creed: Revelations:
PS3: 1,491,966
360: 1,848,380
PC: 130,699

By all means enjoy the games which you like to play, but don't justify your own arguments by saying "all gamers prefer gameplay blahblahblahblahblah" when the other thread you tried this argument in proved you completely wrong. Certainly sales figures don't even remotely have any baring on your opinion either. Don't make up stuff to back up arguments either. One game is blowing the other out of the water, but it's not the one you thought of.

[Edited by Skyheart, 12/9/2011 7:09:37 AM]

 
infinite_gamer  posted on Dec 09, 2011 2:06:33 PM - Report post

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SkyHeart just about said everything that i wanted to say.
Just a few things...ACR,is NOT AC3.It is NOT a sequel.
If your going to talk stats and figures,at least do research and have knowledge of what games your comparing.

ACR,blew the !@#$ out of just about every game this month and last(except SkyRim and BatMan:AC)
As for your comment about gamers not wanting a good story as compared to gameplay.I believe you stated that if gamers want a good story they might as well go to Barnes and Nobles?

That is comepletely Ridiculous.I Have been playing games since coleco vision.Iam an old school gamer.I LOVE a great story.
I think most gamers do.Otherwise games like ACR would'nt be so popular.And,you only paid $49.99?
Your lucky,i paid $60.00.Well worth it IMO.

 
42N8Son  posted on Dec 10, 2011 4:17:56 AM - Report post

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Gamespot ratings and the user ratings agree with me. ACR gets an average of 80% while SR3 gets and average rating of 85%. Gameplay is where it's at baby! Stories are for the birds... and oddball men on park benches with southern accents talking about their tennis shoes and their momma and boxes of chocolate!
 
Skyheart  posted on Dec 10, 2011 5:42:21 AM - Report post

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Game ratings mean absolutely nothing at all. A review of a game is basically a write-up of the reviewers individual opinion. Even when there are multiple reviews, it's STILL the individual reviewer's opinion. You can't possibly tell me that, I dunno, 10 or whatever reviews equals the entire gaming community around the world. To be perfectly honest, those people who base their purchasing decisions on review scores are high on something.

Until every gamer around the world posts a review for every single game they play, using review scores as justification for your opinion is as ridiculous as using sales figures.

Not to mention you conveniently changed the reasoning for your opinion when I proved you wrong/a liar, and completely ignored that proof, switching to a different tactic immediately...

Your opinion is just that- opinion, and yours.

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