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Posted: Dec 03, 2011 10:13:16 AM - Report post  (0)  (0)       Post Reply  post reply  

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Thx from me also cal, I needed the schooling on this matter, i didn't go down the route of cheatengine in the end. I will say this about the ras al gul trial, twice now I have hit an invisible wall after completing the trials both times I had the trainer on, this time I will try it without the trainer being present

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Did it work? I continued without the trainer and still kept hitting the invisible wall. I wound up deleting my game save and starting over, but I hesitate playing as I do not want to have to restart from beginning again.

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Posted: Dec 03, 2011 10:21:59 AM - Report post  (0)  (0)       Post Reply  post reply  

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 quote:
 originally posted by TheSandman21:

Its the GFWL causing the problem, and its not limited to the CH trainer. LinGon's trainer has the same issue. Only thing that seems to be working is the CheatEngine cheat table because it has a script to disable the GFWL anti-cheat.

sandman, you cannot say that GFWL is causing the crashing problems with certainty. our trainer is 10X more complex than Geri's simple C.E. script. there are MANY things that could be causing the troubles. also, regarding xlive, there are a couple things you may not know:

1) i documented the xlive scanner problem a LONG TIME AGO in 2007 and made the first trainer to address it and get around it for HALO 2. note here:

www.cheathappens.com/show_board2.asp?headID=49736&titleID=13011

2) Pysch posted his much better xlive solution on cheatengine.org back in early 2009 after hax0r stole it from one of our cheathappens trainers where we kill the scanner function which every trainer maker now either uses directly or uses an offshoot of this method.

forum.cheatengine.org/viewtopic.php?t=447082&view=next&sid=9fe08cff64240ea68909e72e893b0d1c

3) xlive scanner when running checks the entire .exe from top to bottom for differences and then crashes the game if so. basically this process takes about 30 seconds to a minute to occur. so crashes that are 20 minutes into the game are likely SOME OTHER problem.

4) as we said before, it would be great if there was a savegame that had REPEATABLE crash over and over we could investigate to see what is causing the crash. it could be any one of the several options that we have. the best example would be a crash that we can simply load the game, follow instructions on how to make it crash, and crash over and over in the same place at same time, etc. otherwise we are chasing our tails since i cannot reproduce ANY crashing here.

5) GERI should post some attribution to at least PSYCH who came up with the best xlive bypass solution. GERI's method simply bypasses the function using a JMP command to pass the part of code that ultimately CALLS the scanning function. he didn't come up with this, Psych did, and many people have moved their reroute around to make it their 'own' but the originator was pysch. as i said, i discovered this scanning was going on nearly 5 years ago and had to find a way to make the trainer invisible at the time as we didn't have pysch's method until 2 years later. i think it's worth noting that cheathappens is the first to post about xlive scanner, the first to get around it in 2007, and the first to use the xlive reroute that psych came up with in 2009. everyone else is just using the info in their own trainers now. keep in mind we have done the same with steam triggers, securom scanner, and the myriad other scanners and tricks out there in other games.

6) our trainer ALREADY deals with xlive. if it didn't when you f1 to activate the trainer, the game would likely crash within 30 seconds or so and surely so when you loaded your game.

7) we are going to post another trainer with updated functions to see if it helps later today. stay tuned.

best,
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[Edited by Caliber, 12/3/2011 8:23:08 AM]

Cal,

I don't have a savegame to contribute, but I found that when I answered the payphone for Zzasz the SECOND TIME (during the part where the BatComputer or whatever is mapping out all the payphones, that the audio of Batman and Zzasz's (where Zzasz brags that Bats won't catch him because his tech buddy is routing the call through every cell tower from Gotham to Bloodhaven or something like that) convo would drop out, but the game would continue until you jumped back into control of Batman, at which point the game would crash with the trainer active EVERYTIME. The only option I had active on the trainer when this would occur is the Infinite Health. Thats the only time I've been reliably able to get it to crash, and I got the same results when I tried the Lingon trainer as well. Otherwise, there was no other reliable way that I've found yet to crash the game with the trainer on.

If I DID NOT sign into GFWL when I logged into the game and used the CH trainer, then I could NOT get the game to crash.

If I try turning the infinite health option off and on as needed with the CH trainer while signed into GFWL, then the game ultimately crashes.

I would normally agree that seeing a crash 20 minutes into the game would likely be some other issue, but there's just too many people in here reporting the same symptoms with the trainer for me to reasonably think that.

I'm not a programming guru by any means, but the fact that there was a GFWL update that ran when AC loaded the first time makes me wonder if MS didn't insert a little something new into the Xlive file that hasn't come to the surface, that could explain what Im seeing with both CH and Lingon trainers are working for a short time then crashing mostly out of the blue.

I'm not saying Cal is wrong about GFWL possibly being not being the culprit, because I'm not a programmer, but to me from my limited skillset and experimenting, if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck.....

Looking forward to the new trainer and hoping that it helps though!


[Edited by TheSandman21, 12/3/2011 10:24:14 AM]

[Edited by TheSandman21, 12/3/2011 10:31:52 AM]

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Posted: Dec 03, 2011 1:48:35 PM - Report post  (0)  (0)       Post Reply  post reply  

Hi there,
Just wondering whether instead of infinite health a replenish to full health option would be more viable?

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All the crash seems due xlive memory protection. Without trainer, I can play hours without crash.

You can't not play more than 20-30 mins with the trainer.

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Information on the progress of the new trainer ?

I hope it's working

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 quote:
 originally posted by vampirechick:

Thx from me also cal, I needed the schooling on this matter, i didn't go down the route of cheatengine in the end. I will say this about the ras al gul trial, twice now I have hit an invisible wall after completing the trials both times I had the trainer on, this time I will try it without the trainer being present

@ vampirechick

Did it work? I continued without the trainer and still kept hitting the invisible wall. I wound up deleting my game save and starting over, but I hesitate playing as I do not want to have to restart from beginning again.

been out for the night found something more diverting, needed a break from the game, will try sunday and keep you advised

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 quote:
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 quote:
 originally posted by ungabunga:

 quote:
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Thx from me also cal, I needed the schooling on this matter, i didn't go down the route of cheatengine in the end. I will say this about the ras al gul trial, twice now I have hit an invisible wall after completing the trials both times I had the trainer on, this time I will try it without the trainer being present

@ vampirechick

Did it work? I continued without the trainer and still kept hitting the invisible wall. I wound up deleting my game save and starting over, but I hesitate playing as I do not want to have to restart from beginning again.

been out for the night found something more diverting, needed a break from the game, will try sunday and keep you advised

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Here's what I did after getting stuck after the Ras Al Ghul gliding trials (like everyone else, after you do the glide/dive trials and you end up in the room, no assassins are there to greet you up the stairs, and you can't go past the invisible wall which appears to be SecuROM reacting to the trainer's presence/usage):

Start a new game. DO NOT start with the trainer active at all. Don't even open it.

After you first get the Batsuit on top of the Ace Chemicals building, alt+tab out, and run the trainer. Press F1 when you're back in the game's pause screen.

Then, just use the "99 Upgrade Points" cheat, NOTHING ELSE.

Immediately alt+tab out, close the trainer out completely. Back in the game, just glide to the courthouse where you save Catwoman and trigger the first auto-save checkpoint once you get inside. I recommend using the 2nd floor door.

Once you're in the courthouse and the game has saved, just ALT-F4 completely out of the game. Now restart the game, and go ahead and just max out your skills/upgrades with your points. If you do this, SecuROM doesn't detect the usage, and you'll have pretty much everything you need maxed out for the most part(armor, health, skills, gadgets, etc).

Now, you won't have infinite health, etc., but with everything upgraded from the start, Batman/Catwoman are both already pretty OP. I had no problems getting through most of the game on Hard with only using the trainer at the above one point in the game. Most importantly, it allowed me to get through the Ras Al Ghul fight and I finished the game. Am now enjoying it in the New Game+ mode.

Also, the game did NOT crash ONCE on my playthrough where I only used the upgrade cheat. On my previous playthrough where I used Infinite Health and let the trainer run the entire time, along with the upgrade cheat, I got crashes 20-30 min. at a time and never got past the invisible wall in the Chamber of the Demon. Hope this helps!

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