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Posted: Nov 18, 2011 1:48:44 PM - Report post  (0)  (0)       Post Reply  post reply  

why do all of you think that with the passing of the bill they will automatically take it to the extreme? america already has alot of extreme laws that are not inforced on a everyday basis take the patriot act the gov could lock all of america up and remove your civil rights just for voicing dislike or distrust for obama but they dont,and the current international copyright laws already cover right of use and freedom is objective you want the freedom to say for example obama is a fockwit and if you ever meet him in a dark alley you wouldnt hestiate to knife him in the face but obama has the right of freedom from fear from your threat so they cancel each other out, you want the freedom from want which you think gives you the right to steal what you cant afford or just dont want to pay for which goes against the freedom from fear(the fear of being robbed)cyberly or reality you want the freedom to view and engage in acts that are illegal and the victims that are being watched want the freedom from fear of being abused its time for everyone to wake up and realise that you cant have your cake and eat it too
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Posted: Nov 18, 2011 3:18:01 PM - Report post  (0)  (0)       Post Reply  post reply  

And,why not?
Why can't we have our cake and eat it too?
This bill is taking it to the extreme. This bill is taking away our FREEDOM.

Just because these other bills and laws are not enforced dosn't mean they never will be. The point being (at least IMO)
That once these bills are made into law,they will have the right to censor what we look at and visit on the web.
Even if they don't enforce it,the threat is still there.

I don't know about other people but,iam NOT comfortable in having my rights,freedom,and,privacy compromised by another entity.

[Edited by infinite_gamer, 11/18/2011 3:35:13 PM]

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I like how people just buy the counter-propaganda from opponents of the bill straight up. You do realize using those same arguments, then more critical services such as Google Search, Bing, and most other major search engines would also be shut down since their indexes could contain references to piracy and these serve far greater services than expressing freedom (they effectively enumerate knowledge and information). Yet people are more worried about their YouTube and Facebook accounts (kind of a sad prioritization).

If you actually read the bill then you would know this:
A site will not be shut down if:
1. The primary goal of the site is not piracy.
2. The site's administration makes an active effort to remove piracy references.

If you knew basic networking then you would also know that it is not possible with today's algorithms to effectively remove piracy references with accuracy and speed (and this difficulty increases exponentially with larger user bases).

Way more information here:
Link

TLDR: Please stop countering propaganda with more propaganda and read the damn bill (not what everyone is saying about the bill).

[Edited by Neo7, 11/18/2011 3:38:10 PM]

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Posted: Nov 18, 2011 3:44:16 PM - Report post  (0)  (0)       Post Reply  post reply  

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 originally posted by Mirraluka:

Bad times r a coming democracy Freedom its all becoming a False teaching, i am 64 years old i was taught the 4 FREEDOMS at school they have been taken away from us and now the internet in the USA's congress being effed about with, who are these no-gooders for goodnes sake leave us alone.
here are the 4 Freedoms.for the unwise no offence intended.
1.Freedom of speech.
2.Freedom from Fear.
3.Freedom from want.
4.Freedom of Worship.
Its time these politicions went back to school.And to top it all i live in the UK and its C-RAP.

Freedom across the internet and software need to be in agreement with FOSS standards before it can actually exist:

Freedom 0: The freedom to run the program for any purpose.

Freedom 1: The freedom to study how the program works, and change it to make it do what you wish.

Freedom 2: The freedom to redistribute copies so you can help your neighbor.

Freedom 3: The freedom to improve the program, and release your improvements (and modified versions in general) to the public, so that the whole community benefits.

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Posted: Nov 18, 2011 4:18:37 PM - Report post  (0)  (0)       Post Reply  post reply  

 quote:
 originally posted by Neo7:

I like how people just buy the counter-propaganda from opponents of the bill straight up. You do realize using those same arguments, then more critical services such as Google Search, Bing, and most other major search engines would also be shut down since their indexes could contain references to piracy and these serve far greater services than expressing freedom (they effectively enumerate knowledge and information). Yet people are more worried about their YouTube and Facebook accounts (kind of a sad prioritization).

If you actually read the bill then you would know this:
A site will not be shut down if:
1. The primary goal of the site is not piracy.
2. The site's administration makes an active effort to remove piracy references.

If you knew basic networking then you would also know that it is not possible with today's algorithms to effectively remove piracy references with accuracy and speed (and this difficulty increases exponentially with larger user bases).

Way more information here:
Link

TLDR: Please stop countering propaganda with more propaganda and read the damn bill (not what everyone is saying about the bill).

[Edited by Neo7, 11/18/2011 3:38:10 PM]

yes google would be affected and google has been very vocal about that and how they agree protect-ip/sopa are bad

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This is very bad, bad indeed. Im a huge conspiracy theorist lover and im always researching conspiracies on a plethora of websites. If the government had their way they would shut them all down. If the government had their way they would shut the entire internet down. I read somewhere that the creators of the internet never intended it to become this big, it was meant for the military. The military and government regrets ever releasing it to the public.
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For all you idiots who are siding with the government on censoring the internet because of piracy or dissent. Think of it like this, the government can ban guns and it only hurts the decent people who have guns for protection. While a criminal does not follow the rules and can get a gun illegally. Censoring only hurts the majority of good internet users. Bad ones always find loop holes no matter what. The universe is always balanced, you cant take out bad as much as the government wants to they are just making it worse like trapping the bad ones in the corner and the only way out is....
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Posted: Nov 18, 2011 6:15:30 PM - Report post  (0)  (0)       Post Reply  post reply  

 quote:
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For all you idiots who are siding with the government on censoring the internet because of piracy or dissent. Think of it like this, the government can ban guns and it only hurts the decent people who have guns for protection. While a criminal does not follow the rules and can get a gun illegally. Censoring only hurts the majority of good internet users. Bad ones always find loop holes no matter what. The universe is always balanced, you cant take out bad as much as the government wants to they are just making it worse like trapping the bad ones in the corner and the only way out is....

Think of this analogy. You gave up freedom to be part of this website and use the trainers. In our Terms of Service, it states that the staff is in their full right to terminate any part of the service for any reason they want. Virtually every single website carries this one rule with them (Mark Zuckenburg can ban you from Facebook for the reason that he simply does not like you). Limitations to expression on the internet has always existed yet not everyone exercises it to that extent.

Taking the analogy further, this is similar to a few bad users getting a trainer retired because it's no longer a good investment to micromanage to benefit those who used it. Same thing is happening. Nobody is helping to solve the piracy problem leading to a runaway problem in which drastic measures need to be taken. Sure there's lots happy paying for software, but nobody is saying "look go and use free software if you don't want to pay".

This is the top list (probably outdated by now) of the most commonly pirated software. Few people actually know the alternatives other than go to a torrent site and download an illegal copy (and if you pirate anything on this list, you're a hypocrite to your own cause in my eyes):

Link

You want to stop the companies from taking these drastic measures? The internet community needs to be taking an active effort to maintain the software ecosystem and direct people to the GNU software if they're unwilling or unable to pay. The more attention these alternatives get, the more they become the standards and thus getting rid of a huge incentive for why this bill came into place (because you cannot infringe on free software).

[Edited by Neo7, 11/18/2011 6:15:58 PM]

[Edited by Neo7, 11/18/2011 6:17:13 PM]

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