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Bahhh he went offline and hid! lol
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Posted: Mar 24, 2011 7:30:53 PM - Report post  (0)  (0)       Post Reply  post reply  

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 originally posted by DABhand:

@drakonis

There is no real difference just 1 byte resident in the ROM chip. The TLB to be precise. You can force unlock it while in an OS but your unable of course to change the multiplier in the BIOS so you need software to do it in an OS.

Again I will stress there is no difference in hardware between the two, that is fact. It is just that unlocked multiplier.

As for stressing yes of course it will degrade over time while overclocked, the components are designed to run at a stable clock speed it is set at, increasing voltage etc will just hasten its demise.

Depending on the amount, you could get away with another 100-200mhz for a long time before signs show, obviously higher the more chance you have to damage the CPU.

And its not the CPU as ive said the motherboard gets hit also it has to deal with higher HT.

Any OCing tools from either Intel or AMD will tell you, OCing will reduce the life expectancy of a CPU. They don't just throw that themselves in there for nothing you know.

Let me ask you why when OCing a CPU do you have to increase the HT?

HT determines the speed of transfer for mobo devices.

By the time your CPU ever happens to "wear" out the CPU will be obsolete.

Also when chips are made some chips can run higher than others. Usually your AMD triple core chips are actually quad core chips, but one core doesn't meet specifications so they make it a triple core, some dual cores are quad core chips but two cores don't meet specifications. Black edition chips are the better chips found through speed binning. Yes they are the same hardware made on the same wafers, however some are better than others. Two chips can be manufactured the same exact way but have two different speeds. There is a difference between the chips.

OCing isn't for the novice and people who do are not idiots. Go to this site here and use that line forums.anandtech.com/forumdisplay.php?f=5

Properly done OCing is fine. I don't want to OC my CPU any further because I still don't know enough about OCing to push it further and don't have the time.

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Posted: Mar 24, 2011 7:38:21 PM - Report post  (0)  (0)       Post Reply  post reply  

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 originally posted by Drakonis:

 quote:
 originally posted by DABhand:

@drakonis

There is no real difference just 1 byte resident in the ROM chip. The TLB to be precise. You can force unlock it while in an OS but your unable of course to change the multiplier in the BIOS so you need software to do it in an OS.

Again I will stress there is no difference in hardware between the two, that is fact. It is just that unlocked multiplier.

As for stressing yes of course it will degrade over time while overclocked, the components are designed to run at a stable clock speed it is set at, increasing voltage etc will just hasten its demise.

Depending on the amount, you could get away with another 100-200mhz for a long time before signs show, obviously higher the more chance you have to damage the CPU.

And its not the CPU as ive said the motherboard gets hit also it has to deal with higher HT.

Any OCing tools from either Intel or AMD will tell you, OCing will reduce the life expectancy of a CPU. They don't just throw that themselves in there for nothing you know.

Let me ask you why when OCing a CPU do you have to increase the HT?

HT determines the speed of transfer for mobo devices.

By the time your CPU ever happens to "wear" out the CPU will be obsolete.

Also when chips are made some chips can run higher than others. Usually your AMD triple core chips are actually quad core chips, but one core doesn't meet specifications so they make it a triple core, some dual cores are quad core chips but two cores don't meet specifications. Black edition chips are the better chips found through speed binning. Yes they are the same hardware made on the same wafers, however some are better than others. Two chips can be manufactured the same exact way but have two different speeds. There is a difference between the chips.

OCing isn't for the novice and people who do are not idiots. Go to this site here and use that line forums.anandtech.com/forumdisplay.php?f=5

Properly done OCing is fine. I don't want to OC my CPU any further because I still don't know enough about OCing to push it further and don't have the time.

Excuse me while I laugh at these gems..

"Usually your AMD triple core chips are actually quad core chips, but one core doesn't meet specifications so they make it a triple core, some dual cores are quad core chips but two cores don't meet specifications." Nice... that will be filed next to my "Martians landed at Roswell" folder.

No.... NO NO NO...

The CPU board is totally different for Triple cores and Quad Cores and of course Hex Cores.

My question was a trick question...

HT doesnt determine speed of mobo devices, its Hyperthreading which comes standard for any CPU the last couple of years. It deals with cache operations etc and multitasking. It doesn't increase when OC'd.

So excuse me for not believing you

Lesson learned - no talk to guy who ran a PC shop, knows stuffs pertaining to CPU's and try and bluff your way through things

hehehehe

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Posted: Mar 24, 2011 7:41:03 PM - Report post  (0)  (0)       Post Reply  post reply  

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@drakonis again

I think your trying to talk about things you have basic knowledge of, as usual I get hit with the "Show me proof" crap :P

Here is some stats for you..

The difference first in clock speeds..

DDR3 1066 vs DDR3 1333

READ SPEED

1066 = avg 6GB/s
1333 = avg 7.3GB/s

Ideal timings for each

1066 - 7-7-7-20
1333 - 8-8-8-15

Now for frame rates, if you chose a game crysis for instance..

1066 vs 1333 = 1333 with a +4 fps avg

Now throw in crappy 1333 RAM with the 8-8-8-15 but double the latency as usual from value RAM - its about the same as the 1066.

So YES, it does make a difference and yes so does the branding.

Yeah gee I wonder why people would ask for proof. Go figure

I remember you claimed mass effect 2 had a special mission but could never prove it.

I could throw out a bunch of numbers without proof also. Nice try though.

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Posted: Mar 24, 2011 7:44:28 PM - Report post  (0)  (0)       Post Reply  post reply  

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@drakonis again

I think your trying to talk about things you have basic knowledge of, as usual I get hit with the "Show me proof" crap :P

Here is some stats for you..

The difference first in clock speeds..

DDR3 1066 vs DDR3 1333

READ SPEED

1066 = avg 6GB/s
1333 = avg 7.3GB/s

Ideal timings for each

1066 - 7-7-7-20
1333 - 8-8-8-15

Now for frame rates, if you chose a game crysis for instance..

1066 vs 1333 = 1333 with a +4 fps avg

Now throw in crappy 1333 RAM with the 8-8-8-15 but double the latency as usual from value RAM - its about the same as the 1066.

So YES, it does make a difference and yes so does the branding.

Yeah gee I wonder why people would ask for proof. Go figure

I remember you claimed mass effect 2 had a special mission but could never prove it.

I could throw out a bunch of numbers without proof also. Nice try though.

Those values and ram speeds are legit. Go look and see.

After you dismal attempt at understanding CPU's, I shan't hold my breath

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Posted: Mar 24, 2011 8:15:39 PM - Report post  (0)  (0)       Post Reply  post reply  

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@drakonis

There is no real difference just 1 byte resident in the ROM chip. The TLB to be precise. You can force unlock it while in an OS but your unable of course to change the multiplier in the BIOS so you need software to do it in an OS.

Again I will stress there is no difference in hardware between the two, that is fact. It is just that unlocked multiplier.

As for stressing yes of course it will degrade over time while overclocked, the components are designed to run at a stable clock speed it is set at, increasing voltage etc will just hasten its demise.

Depending on the amount, you could get away with another 100-200mhz for a long time before signs show, obviously higher the more chance you have to damage the CPU.

And its not the CPU as ive said the motherboard gets hit also it has to deal with higher HT.

Any OCing tools from either Intel or AMD will tell you, OCing will reduce the life expectancy of a CPU. They don't just throw that themselves in there for nothing you know.

Let me ask you why when OCing a CPU do you have to increase the HT?

HT determines the speed of transfer for mobo devices.

By the time your CPU ever happens to "wear" out the CPU will be obsolete.

Also when chips are made some chips can run higher than others. Usually your AMD triple core chips are actually quad core chips, but one core doesn't meet specifications so they make it a triple core, some dual cores are quad core chips but two cores don't meet specifications. Black edition chips are the better chips found through speed binning. Yes they are the same hardware made on the same wafers, however some are better than others. Two chips can be manufactured the same exact way but have two different speeds. There is a difference between the chips.

OCing isn't for the novice and people who do are not idiots. Go to this site here and use that line forums.anandtech.com/forumdisplay.php?f=5

Properly done OCing is fine. I don't want to OC my CPU any further because I still don't know enough about OCing to push it further and don't have the time.

Excuse me while I laugh at these gems..

"Usually your AMD triple core chips are actually quad core chips, but one core doesn't meet specifications so they make it a triple core, some dual cores are quad core chips but two cores don't meet specifications." Nice... that will be filed next to my "Martians landed at Roswell" folder.

No.... NO NO NO...

The CPU board is totally different for Triple cores and Quad Cores and of course Hex Cores.

My question was a trick question...

HT doesnt determine speed of mobo devices, its Hyperthreading which comes standard for any CPU the last couple of years. It deals with cache operations etc and multitasking. It doesn't increase when OC'd.

So excuse me for not believing you

Lesson learned - no talk to guy who ran a PC shop, knows stuffs pertaining to CPU's and try and bluff your way through things

hehehehe

LOL, okay "mr. PC shop" guy. Nice try

Hyper Transport

www.amd.com/us/products/technologies/hypertransport-technology/Pages/hypertransport-technology.aspx

OR Hyper Threading which is an Intel-proprietary technology. Oh and Intel had hyperthreading in their Northwood Pentium 4 in 2002

AMD processors DO NOT have hyperthreading

We were talking about AMD chips. And yes you can change the HT when OCing an AMD chip.

www.tomshardware.com/reviews/phenom-overclock-athlon,2161-3.html

Good luck with your next folder. You do realize that you can unlock the fourth core on some tri-core chips and even unlock two cores on some dual core chips? Yes you can. When chips are made, not all are up to spec during testing. Throwing out a quad core chip because one chip doesn't meet specs would be wasteful. They disable the fourth chip and make it a tri-core chip. Of course not all are designed that way, which is why I said "some" not all.

Check this out

www.overclock.net/amd-cpus/535501-official-amd-k10-5-core-cache.html


So excuse me for not believing you, again


The only one bluffing here is you, just as you did with mass effect2

Seriously, you didn't know the difference between hyper-threading and hyper-transport? And you are an expert? And no they are not the same.

So just to clarify on the HT thing

AMD- Hyper Transport

Intel- Hyper Threading

Two different processes. You might want to study up on it.

[Edited by Drakonis, 3/25/2011 4:04:27 AM]

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Ok now your boring..

AMD chipsets do have HT, they used to not have it, but they do have it, but...

Hypertransport is not the same as Hyperthreading, yes threading is Intel's, but AMD has a similar technology and they can't use the same name as Intel so they call it True Core Scalability (TCS) it is the same thing.

As for your link, that was HTLS something again totally different. HyperTransporting vs HT Link Speed is two different entities. Again Hypertransporting is not AMD's equivalent to Hyperthreading.

You really have no clue. Give up.

You have done a general google search and anything it took you hours to find to try and look smart has just blown up in your face.

As for the ME2 planet, I gave people the opportunity but all I got back was ridicule think I was going to help people out then, your head is just as wonky as it was back then. Amazing how people forget I was the one that showed them how to use Ruby to change the configuration of things like run speed etc.

Anyways that was the past, and the present you have shown yourself to be less knowledgeable also.

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I'll leave Overclocking to the experts/adventurous

Ok so 1333MHz RAM instead, sounds good, will go with Value RAM anyway since well if it does turn out to be crap it's easily replaceable

And will look into the 890FX chipset MB's and see what I can get here (or shipped from overseas) and also see about getting a 5870 or Nvidia 460

Will stick with Phenom II X4 965 as it should be sufficient

Initially I was looking at about $1600NZD / $1100 USD but will revise that now, shouldn't be too much difference though, plus I get paid next Wednesday anyway yay

Thanks heaps guys, really appreciate the advice, I'd be clueless without it

For $1,100 you can get a very nice set up. Since you are getting an AMD mobo, you might want to consider one that has crossfire and get a single 5870 and then a second in the future. By the way, what resolution is your monitor?

Hmm I'll have to think about that. And the monitor will be a ViewSonic VA2231wm 22inch LCD (1920x1080 resolution)

how about a 22" Full HD from Dell or LG...preferably a WLED. i'm told WLED's consume a bit less power. both look good though.

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