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Your thoughts on DAO2 so far...
 
ArchDuke  posted on Mar 12, 2011 3:45:36 PM - Report post


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originally posted by Devillord2009

Completed the game, dissapointed with ending, could have been loneger the game deserver's 7.2 by my scale

Have you really completed it?

Did you help the Mages? Templers? Qunari? None of them to be Viscount?

There is a lot of potential endings

I only noticed the Mages and Templars option. You can actually have Qunari running around or be the actual Viscount? Nice.

 
DABhand  posted on Mar 12, 2011 3:57:57 PM - Report post

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originally posted by DABhand

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originally posted by Devillord2009

Completed the game, dissapointed with ending, could have been loneger the game deserver's 7.2 by my scale

Have you really completed it?

Did you help the Mages? Templers? Qunari? None of them to be Viscount?

There is a lot of potential endings

I only noticed the Mages and Templars option. You can actually have Qunari running around or be the actual Viscount? Nice.

There is a couple of ways to become Viscount, if you did things correctly and are well in with the Templars and your not a mage, you can ask whoever rules Denerim when they visit to make you Viscount. Or kill both the mages and templars at the end.

And yes you can please the Qunari, and get them to leave if you have Isabella available. Means helping them attack the city and kill the Viscount.

[Edited by DABhand, 3/12/2011 3:58:23 PM]

 
DABhand  posted on Mar 12, 2011 4:07:04 PM - Report post

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Well, I can counter your entire post very simply.

Your first point said that 2009 for PC gaming was a poor sales year.

Unfortunately, it was not. The numbers from the PCGA for 2009 said PC gaming for that year was up 3%.

It wasn't as phenomenal as the 20% rise in 2010, but it surely wasn't "poor". Poor would indicate a downturn. What's more, in 2010 console gaming and portables saw a 13% decline. Wait what? PC gaming with a 20% increase and consoles with a 13% decline and you're saying PC gaming is failing? And the industry knows it? What industry? The one in your head?

So there you go, your feelings on the failing of the PC gaming industry is going by FUD and anecdotal evidence. Unfortunately, mine is backed by actual data.

How is a 3% growth in an industry that is supposedly "failing" poor?

It's what the publishers and developers want you to believe.

It's false. It's lies. It's bull****.

Stop accepting it.

[Edited by kbernstar, 3/12/2011 3:52:40 PM]

No point posting %'s like I said, its all about the amount made.

Just for arguments sake and not real values..

Say Consoles in 2009 sold $500M and PC's sold $100M.

Your 20% for the PC market for 2010 is now $120M and the 13% loss on the Console market for 2010 is now $435M. Which clearly would mean the console market is still the leader.

If you are going to go by actual data show us the sales figures I am sure once you see them you won't post :P

You are so clearly loving the % side of things that you don't see the other clear facts to show that the consoles are doing better and PC gaming is in decline.

I told you about the console only titles, I told you amount of quality releases on the PC is in decline.

Again you have to look at the bigger picture, don't go by percentages as the PC sales although you stated has been increasing has been from a low value, again 20% does NOT equal massive sales, only 20% more than the previous year, as 2009 was only 3% more than 2008 and so on.

Infact here is sales in the US. Now pay close attention here this is legit

"PORT WASHINGTON, NY, January 14, 2010 - According to leading market research company, The NPD Group, U.S. retail sales of video games, which includes portable and console hardware, software and accessories, generated revenues of close to $19.66 billion, an 8 percent decline over the $21.4 billion generated in 2008.

Retail sales in the PC game software industry also experienced declines, with revenues down 23 percent, generating $538 million in 2009. The total console, portable and PC game software industry generated $10.5 billion, an 11 percent decline vs. the $11.7 billion generated in 2008."

Now heres the maths..

If $10.5B was made from Console and PC software, and PC software is $538M = $9.962B in console games sales.

Like I said its all about the numbers :P

And just to show you how bad the PC is going..

"PORT WASHINGTON, NEW YORK, January 17, 2006 – According to leading marketing information provider, The NPD Group, annual 2005 U.S. retail sales of PC game software saw sales figures reach $953 million, a 14 percent decrease compared to the $1.1 billion generated in 2004."

So over 3 years it went from $953M down to $538M in sales on the PC market alone. Yeah but im sure in your head those little 3% and 20% yearly increases must mean its not dead and the massive $9B+ in console sales is just a laugh.

I expect sales in the console market this year to drop rappidly maybe to $7 or $6B due to the Jailbreaking of the PS3 and people being able to grab warez releases of PS3 games. But its still $6B+ more in sales than the PC.

THAT YOU CANNOT DENY

So is it still BS to you? :P

[Edited by DABhand, 3/12/2011 4:32:22 PM]

 
Blazewamp  posted on Mar 12, 2011 4:17:19 PM - Report post

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ive just finished game.

played as a mage and i have to say it was a really really good game. the endgame was truly epic blood guts, lots of hard choices to make excellent just a damm cliff hanger agian :P

 
DABhand  posted on Mar 12, 2011 4:22:51 PM - Report post

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ive just finished game.

played as a mage and i have to say it was a really really good game. the endgame was truly epic blood guts, lots of hard choices to make excellent just a damm cliff hanger agian :P

Yeah.. I am going to play DA:O and kill Leliana and see if she appears in the end of DA2 from that save. Will be interesting :P

 
fallenangelxes  posted on Mar 12, 2011 5:16:48 PM - Report post

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I'd just like to point out the title. It's not DAO2. It's Dragon Age 2. Origins only applies to the first game.

You're right Aeterna,

Honestly I don't think most are assuming though, that it should be some form of continuation of DA:O, I think the mindset that is more prevalent is that we expect more from the franchise, not that it be the same as the original.

More in the way of storyline, etc. all that I had previously posted, it just can't seem to hold my attention the way the first did.

 
kbernstar  posted on Mar 12, 2011 9:29:07 PM - Report post

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Yes, DAB, it's still BS to me because the first NPD article you linked from 2010 citing a 500 million dollar sales figure for PC gaming is laughable.

It's retail sales. No wonder you cherry picked that figure out of the actual figures. Retail sales figures only accounts for brick and mortar stores and completely factors out online distribution sales of video games as well as social media games which is a huge emerging market (see Zynga and see the direction of Blizzard and the new Rift MMO).

So yes, I am going to deny your articles because you chose laughably flawed articles on old analyst information when the new information, especially that presented at the most recent GDC shows PC gaming is on the rise while console gaming is in decline.

 
SmokeDogg  posted on Mar 12, 2011 10:59:54 PM - Report post

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NPD does not track on-line PC GAME sales such as from Steam. Pure proof when Steam announced 1 billion in sales alone in 2010..

PC is majority ON-LINE sales not disc sales anymore.

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