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Dhampy  posted on Oct 27, 2010 5:05:44 PM - Report post

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"driving while high is about as dangerous as driving while you're sleepy."

Driving while tired is the same as driving with a .10 BAC.

If driving while high is as dangerous as driving while tired, then it is most definitely dangerous.

More dangerous, in fact, than the .08 BAC limit set by federal law.

Lol, facts.

QED.

i respectfully disagree. granted, individual tolerance for thc is a variable, if you were to do a 'lab' test where you have one driver consume .125 oz of marijuana, and have a second driver consume 3 or 4 drinks over the span of 2 hours, then have each driver attempt to drive on the same course, i can nearly guarantee that the stoned guy is going to do a better job than the tipsy guy. a blood-alcohol level of .10 would impair most people to the point of slurring speech, slight unbalance, and slight visual obscurity....the only comparison of those symptoms with a marijuana high would be possible visual obscurity from very squinty eyes

Nice backpedaling. So, it's not like driving tired now? Because science tells us that being tired is being more impaired than the legal alcohol limit.

Your arguments aren't convincing in the least; much like the guy at the bar insisting he's a better driver when drunk, you are merely claiming something without any substantiation.

The preponderance of actual study is vastly against your argument.

 
Shibby  posted on Oct 27, 2010 5:13:26 PM - Report post

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Legalize it and the illegal trade of it dies along with the violence. You might not care about the violence since it's just scum killing scum but it puts innocent civilians at risk and wastes tons of time and money from the DEA.

If you think people are just going to do it anyway, which they are, then the government might as well make a profit from lowering crime. God knows America needs all the money it can get to get some proper social benefits for the people.

The scum will just find something else to kill eachother over instead, there are plenty of other illegal (and more dangerous) drugs that they can trade in. Legalizing one just means they have to change to another. It does not guarantee a decrease in violent crimes or save any money.

 
Shibby  posted on Oct 27, 2010 5:16:01 PM - Report post

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originally posted by dstates

quote:
originally posted by Dhampy

"driving while high is about as dangerous as driving while you're sleepy."

Driving while tired is the same as driving with a .10 BAC.

If driving while high is as dangerous as driving while tired, then it is most definitely dangerous.

More dangerous, in fact, than the .08 BAC limit set by federal law.

Lol, facts.

QED.

i respectfully disagree. granted, individual tolerance for thc is a variable, if you were to do a 'lab' test where you have one driver consume .125 oz of marijuana, and have a second driver consume 3 or 4 drinks over the span of 2 hours, then have each driver attempt to drive on the same course, i can nearly guarantee that the stoned guy is going to do a better job than the tipsy guy. a blood-alcohol level of .10 would impair most people to the point of slurring speech, slight unbalance, and slight visual obscurity....the only comparison of those symptoms with a marijuana high would be possible visual obscurity from very squinty eyes

Decreased reaction times would be the main concern for me, you hardly need to balance much or talk when driving.

 
dstates  posted on Oct 28, 2010 12:15:48 AM - Report post

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quote:
originally posted by Dhampy

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originally posted by dstates

quote:
originally posted by Dhampy

"driving while high is about as dangerous as driving while you're sleepy."

Driving while tired is the same as driving with a .10 BAC.

If driving while high is as dangerous as driving while tired, then it is most definitely dangerous.

More dangerous, in fact, than the .08 BAC limit set by federal law.

Lol, facts.

QED.

i respectfully disagree. granted, individual tolerance for thc is a variable, if you were to do a 'lab' test where you have one driver consume .125 oz of marijuana, and have a second driver consume 3 or 4 drinks over the span of 2 hours, then have each driver attempt to drive on the same course, i can nearly guarantee that the stoned guy is going to do a better job than the tipsy guy. a blood-alcohol level of .10 would impair most people to the point of slurring speech, slight unbalance, and slight visual obscurity....the only comparison of those symptoms with a marijuana high would be possible visual obscurity from very squinty eyes

Nice backpedaling. So, it's not like driving tired now? Because science tells us that being tired is being more impaired than the legal alcohol limit.

Your arguments aren't convincing in the least; much like the guy at the bar insisting he's a better driver when drunk, you are merely claiming something without any substantiation.

The preponderance of actual study is vastly against your argument.

i am speaking from sole personal experience. i have driven my car when i could hardly keep my eyes open from lack of sleep, i have also driven tipsy and full out drunk off my ass, and of course, i have driven high, many many many times....and from what i have experienced, i believe that driving while high is the least dangerous of the 3 above situations.

i am without a doubt, a very aggressive driver while i am sober, and when im drunk...it gets much worse, but when im high, i dive much more conservatively...im not sure why but it makes me feel more focused, which is exactly the opposite effect that alcohol has on me.

im just saying that driving while high is not nearly as dangerous as driving while drunk, and if you would test this theory you would come to the same conclusion...but when its all said and done, driving while intoxicated is illegal and understandably so, and likewise it doesn't really matter which intoxicant is more impairing to the human senses than the other. however, i dont believe the subject has much to do with the legalization of marijuana.

 
DABhand  posted on Oct 28, 2010 4:37:48 AM - Report post

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I said no, because of a few factors.

1. High tax issues.
2. Easily available more to teens and would cause teens to steal to keep up the habit more.
3. Drug sellers who just sell cannabis would move onto other harder drugs to substantiate their earnings.

If they do legalize they would have to copy how Holland have dealt with it.

 
alcatraz1921  posted on Oct 28, 2010 7:05:56 AM - Report post

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I voted Yes. If they do legalize it, it will present the opportunity to legally grow at least two trees. 'Dem trees can get HUGE! So, there's a way to dodge the tax man.

I will continue enjoying it regardless, although it would be nice to have Johnny Law off my back and not to worry about being caught.

PS: Mary J is currently 2 months old and standing about 3ft high, sporting some beautiful hand sized Indica 9 leaves with the buds starting to form.

 
Realusionist  posted on Oct 28, 2010 7:08:17 AM - Report post

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The long term effects of smoking weed regularly make you into a moron. Just like alcohol it will be abused and cause more problems than its worth. My uncles brother in law smoked it since he was a teenager and now he can barely string a coherant sentance together, like he's mentally disabled.

The point is Law as an absolute arbiter in social life should decide for private living quality in such depth or leave some aspect to personal decisions?

Then why not ban Alcohol my friend?

We tried this before in the US. The ending result was organized crime for alcohol that makes today's gangs that handle drugs look like kids playing cops and robbers. People will do anything to get their drink on in the US.

Then you come to my significance, there's no point in banning!

 
SuperSkyline89  posted on Oct 28, 2010 9:42:07 AM - Report post

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originally posted by SuperSkyline89

Legalize it and the illegal trade of it dies along with the violence. You might not care about the violence since it's just scum killing scum but it puts innocent civilians at risk and wastes tons of time and money from the DEA.

If you think people are just going to do it anyway, which they are, then the government might as well make a profit from lowering crime. God knows America needs all the money it can get to get some proper social benefits for the people.

The scum will just find something else to kill eachother over instead, there are plenty of other illegal (and more dangerous) drugs that they can trade in. Legalizing one just means they have to change to another. It does not guarantee a decrease in violent crimes or save any money.

If the DEA doesn't have to worry about marijuana anymore they can focus on the real drugs. It might not guarantee money saved overall (any saved money will just be redirected anyway) but it will mean more money going to the fight against serious drugs.

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